Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Silent Hill influences and trivia
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep – PeaceNT 07:17, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Silent Hill influences and trivia
Wikipedia isn't a guide to trivia. Editors think this is useful (and eliminates list pages on Silent Hill articles), but it's still cruft. Imagine if every popular series had articles to eliminate lists: Wikipedia would be flooded. Also, as per: Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles, this article doesn't need to exist. It belongs on a video game Wiki instead. RobJ1981 22:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- Keep All game pages have trivia and popular culture. In this case the list is to big for the game page so it is made a seperate article. The only thing unacceptable in this article are the big worded sections that may be original researched and are not sourced.--Dacium 22:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Weak Keep, and only until this information can be transferred to other pages. In addition, it should be said that the creation of this sort of article isn't without precedent, although I will acknowledge the example was executed far better than this page. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 23:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)- Weak Delete after seeing all the screenshots Thaddius loaded as Public domain, I feel more skeptical about this article than ever. The sheer volume of images would probably prevent all the linked images from qualifying as Fair Use. I'll continue working to get the information transferred to the appropriate pages, however. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 11:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. From what I can tell, all of this information is avaible through the respective pages' histories, so it wouldn't really be lost anyway. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 14:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- Trim and merge into other articles about the series, else Keep and cleanup. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 23:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Weak Keep Wikipedia is full of trivia i dont see the need to destroy this particular one. Killroy4 05:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. Just because Wikipedia is full of trivia, doesn't make a certain article more notable or not. There is trivia guidelines for a reason: so articles aren't flooded with it. When articles of trivia (and other information) get posted in a new page: that's just moving the problem, not solving it. RobJ1981 05:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Much of it is unsourced original research. The parts that aren't are non-notable trivia. We have guidelines that specifically say we should try to minimize trivia as much as possible with the end goal that no articles will have any trivia. Having an entire article about trivia flies in the face of this. This sort of in-game trivia is unencyclopedic. Also, in reply to Dacium's argument that this list is too big for the game article: that's a sign that the list itself should be trimmed without mercy, not that it should get it's own article. --The Way 05:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. While I understand the sentiment behind the move to delete, Silent Hill contains an exhaustive amount of both references to other works and references to other games in the series, and is generally considered to be a milestone in horror gaming. While this page may be an inelegant solution, deleting it out of purist notions of "cleaning up" Wikipedia will only serve to do exactly the opposite, as people will start plugging all these various assorted facts back into the main pages, where they will be harder to fact-check and keep organized. - Tzaquiel 18:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. The games that are the subject of this article are unique in their referential content. Rob speaks of this happening to other pages, but I maintain that it will not as this situation is unique. I am opposed to this deletion because, while lists and trivia are frowned upon, this article contains interesting information that is hardly able to be conveyed differently. I'm also of the mind that this is not necessarily simply trivia, but references and influences in most cases. Also, I'm working to source a lot of these things, and while Lenin and McCarthy believes that I'm doing it in a strange way, removing this stuff will only make it reappear on the main SH game articles eventually. The article IS being worked on to maybe make it less list-like. --Thaddius 21:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- Keep This article might need editing, but that doesn't make it any less informative and useful. --Ti-Ana 22:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Looks like 6 to 3 in favour of Keep. What now? --Thaddius 18:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- Comment: I think actually we're supposed to reach a consensus rather than just vote. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 20:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- Comment: I sincerely doubt that everyone involved can come to consensus, but I suppose we'll have to entertain the idea. --Thaddius 16:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. Never forgive you, never forget you. --Simon the Dragon 02:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. I can't understand how an article that is informative and helps people appreciate Silent Hill by providing background and context deserves to be deleted. This looks like the people who contributed to this are being punished for overachieving. Richard Cane 12:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. I say keep, but only on the grounds that it be trimmed, edited and sourced. Quite a bit of it is original research, and that has to either be sourced or it has to go. Levid37 03:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
