Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shimada Kambei

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect. Any merging can take place later; will redirect to Seven Samurai. Mangojuice^talk 17:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shimada Kambei

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This is a character that does not have real world information to establish notability. It is currently covered in the its two main articles (List of Samurai 7 characters and Seven Samurai), and there is no current assertion for improvement. TTN (talk) 22:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

• Redirect to List of Samurai 7 characters. Curious Blue (talk) 05:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 13:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• List of Samurai 7 characters is not the right destination -- if anything, it should be the original, not derivative, work. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete and redirect per nom. Eusebeus (talk) 15:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete one-time movie characters can be sufficiently described within the movie article. Shiva Evolved (talk) 18:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

  Just to point out that this isn't a one-time movie character, as he also appears in the anime adaptation. —Quasirandom (talk) 18:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I understand - what I meant was, the character does not go beyond the movie/story in characteristics - not like John McClane or James Bond. Shiva Evolved (talk) 22:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• I've held off commenting in the hope someone from the Japan project would comment on whether notability sources are available in Japanese, given they're more likely there than in English. Absent that, let's see what we can untangle given there's no notability at the moment. Per WP:FICT, the second thing to do (after searching for references) is merge, not delete -- but this is tricky, because this is a character who appears in two fictional works with separate articles. None of the above proposals is satisfactory. Fortunately, the article is structured with the appearences clearly marked. So: merge the second sentence of the lead, and the Film Version and Kambei's Sword sections into Seven Samurai, and the Anime Version section into Samurai 7. Because the latter is the derivative version, the redirect left behind should point to Seven Samurai. —Quasirandom (talk) 08:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

• Merge as per Quasirandom. Edward321 (talk) 04:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.