Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shepherd's Pie Advert

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The result was Delete ~ Anthony 20:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shepherd's Pie Advert

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The ad is not notable. I am unable to verify the content of this article in reliable sources. Only source I could find about the ad was a description of the ad itself, which is not enough to write an encyclopedia article with this title. More discussion at Talk:Shepherd's Pie Advert. Pan Dan 17:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Barely comprehensible. Lil' Dice ^{(yeah, I said it!) - talk} 21:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
• Cancel the campaign, er, delete. Claims of being notable and influential are not backed up with reliable sources. An ad one person really, really liked is not notable. --Dhartung | Talk 22:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, lack of reliable sources proving notability. Jacek Kendysz 14:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. The difficulty in finding sources is obviously down to the inability to search "Shepherd's Pie" or "Oxo" without coming up with a massive amount of other results on Google first. Also I've made some contributions and the article isn't really doing any harm in its current state. Agent Blightsoot 11:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • difficulty in finding sources...on Google -- hence my search in Lexis-Nexis and Google news, where, as I said, I found only a description of the ad itself. Pan Dan 12:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
    • (further comment) A Google search for "shepherd's pie" oxo gives 309 unique hits. Scanning the first 30, I see nothing that's even about this ad (except, as it happens, for hit #29, which is neither independent nor reliable nor non-trivial with respect to the ad[1]). Searching for "shepherd's pie" uriah -site:uriah-heep.com -site:youtube.com -site:myspace.com gives 33 unique hits none of which are reliable. Searching for "shepherd's pie" "bernie shaw" (the purported singer) gives 7 hits. Pan Dan 14:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as with every other meme that's come to VfD. We've had problems like this with similar articles on "internet memes", and this just seems to be a repeat of what we've gone other multiple times. Unless it's something like Steve Ballmers Dance Monkeyboy Video, its generally hard to bring it up in searches or in blogs when its naming is similar to things that are more likely to at the top of searches. The adverts appearance on YouTube, ytmnd and Google video is probably a good indicator that it's reasonably notable and that it can be improved. The fact that this advert could also be referenced in multiple articles (Oxo (food), Uriah Heep, List of internet phenomena, Advertising etc etc) is probably a good indicator for it to remain in its own article, and not disfragmented.

I would suggest the article is kept. A note added that its internet phenomena that has appeared on several sites consistent with internet phenomena. I think people are being a tad pedantic in sourcing the article numerous times in something that is essentially a stub. Roger Danger Field 13:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• • Your argument that the ad is likely notable is well taken, assuming that you by "notable" you mean "appropriate sources exist." But I've actually looked for sources (thoroughly, it seems to me) and have come up empty. Pan Dan 14:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.