Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shepard Road/Warner Road

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shepard Road/Warner Road

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A road whose claim to notability is: "an important route for trucks to bypass weight restrictions on Interstate 35E". Nehwyn 17:53, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Weak delete- The road is also apparently a county highway and part of the National Highway System. However, it's an otherwise unremarkable city street. —Scott5114↗ 22:47, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
• Weak delete per Scott. Other than being part of the NHS, there's nothing out of the ordinary about this road. --TMF ^{Let's Go Mets - Stats} 05:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. This plays a major role in the history of I-35E, being one of several routes that heavy trucks must use. The 1975 law that imposed a moratorium on building I-35E authorized Mn/DOT to take it over as a state highway:

  Route No. 380. Beginning at a point on Route No. 390 [I-35E] at its intersection with Shepard Road in the city of Saint Paul; thence extending in a northeasterly direction generally following along the course of Shepard Road to a point on Route No. 112 [Lafayette Freeway]; thence extending in a northeasterly direction to a point on Route No. 392 [I-94] easterly of the downtown area of Saint Paul; providing a connector route between Route No. 390 and Routes No. 112 and 392;

• Although it was not taken over by the state (probably since I-35E was built), it has been rebuilt to handle the increased traffic due to the truck restriction on I-35E: [1][2] It is also part of the Great River Road. Should it be moved to Shepard-Warner Road? [3][4] --NE2 12:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's my point. Its sole claim to notability is that it's good for trucks. Excvellent for Wikitravel, but not really grounds for Wikipedia notability. --Nehwyn 21:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Its "sole" claim to notability is that it's come up many times in the local press over many years (hence it clearly passes WP:N) because of its role as a truck bypass and a four-lane highway along the river. And, well, isn't Wikitravel geared towards tourists, not truckers? --NE2 14:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Any city road is bound to come up in the local press over the years. It's statistics. But what claim would those sources support? Indeed is there a claim to notability, beside being a useful road for truckers? And as for Wikitravel, it's geared towards travel information - and which road to choose if you're driving a truck is definitely travel information. --Nehwyn 20:43, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

This is more than a city road; it's a four-lane highway along the river that played a part in the I-35E controversy. The conflict between the riverfront park and the highway has come up: [5] There are many articles spread over many years that are specifically about the road; you won't find that for any random city street. See for instance Wacouta Street and Selby Avenue. --NE2 00:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep if improved. I understand the comments above as the article mentions only its "road" features. The road however goes for much of its length through the scenic, wooded, and bluff-lined river valley, which does not seem like it is in an urban area. It connects and runs along the state's earliest areas of settlement and travel, from Fort Snelling, by Pike's Island, along the steamboat levee where Saint Paul began, and beneath the Indian Mounds of earlier civilizations. I suggest keeping it for now and revisiting it if not improved. It is notable, and there is no good place to merge its content. Kablammo 00:53, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The article has now been partially revised. It still needs work (a map and photographs would be nice), as well as an expanded and referenced Importance section. Kablammo 22:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. The road is significant in the history of Saint Paul, although that topic has not been addressed much yet on WP.--Appraiser 15:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.