Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shadowclan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. W.marsh 02:57, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shadowclan

Non-notable gaming group. Deleted twice as CSD A7, but creator claims it has been mentioned in the media. No references provided as of last deletion. I'm restoring to seek a consensus for its removal, if no reliable media references have been provided. Kimchi.sg 23:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep if sourced - Gaming clans are notable (within the game's scope) but the game's website should show some award or w/e to show the clans notability/notoriety.Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete NN. If sources are added, I might reconsider. Nickieee 23:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is an article done by WoW giving Shadowclan the Guild of the Week award. Shadowclan was World of Warcrafts the very first Guild of the Week. There's more though but some of it is old and i'm having trouble digging it up. Please be patient. Bagginator 23:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

This is NOT an "article done by WoW" and it is very misleading to describe it as such, as if Shadowclan was some sort of official World of Warcraft "guild of the week". This is just an article and an award from an MMO fansite. --Stormie 06:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Fixed.Bagginator 13:53, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is featured image of Shadowclan from the game Shadowbane Shadowclan Virakt Bagginator 23:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is a book that mentioned Shadowclan Interview with Ogur, a Shadowclan Member Which can be seen here in the Index with one of our members Ogur. Bagginator 00:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

An article on UO.Com that features Shadowclan. Here's another by the Town Cryer at uo.com. Here's a reference to our guild and city we built on the treachery server of Shadowbane. Bagginator 00:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Gaming clans are not notable. Fan-1967 00:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is another article on Stratics about the Seige Perilous Shard which mentions Shadowclan and links to the homepage. Bagginator 01:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Here is an interview conducted by Only-War, the news site for the new game coming out called Warhammer.Bagginator 01:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I agree that gaming clans are NN. TJ Spyke 04:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
• Article edited and linked sources added to demonstrate notability from reliable media sources.Bagginator 05:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
• keep Normally i would say guilds are non notable, but its obvious this guild has been the subject of much attention, even by the creators of the games they reside on. --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 13:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Most gaming groups are non-notable but this one seems to be. It has been written into the official lore behind at least two games, which are Ultima Online and Dark Age of Camelot. The Ultima Online references are posted above, but the Dark Age of Camelot reference can be found at [1], where Mythic Entertainment was so impressed with how they influenced the community they were added to Mythic Entertainment's official description of an in-game character race.Khasha'an 16:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This clan is an archetype. It is widely known among game designers and is a part of MMORPG history. For example, it is referenced on Terra Nova, a roundtable of many of the movers and shakers in game design in this article/discussion (third section from the bottom). Shadowclan is often referenced casually like this, as it is assumed that the other game designers will know the clan and its influence. Though, some reading their roundtable might not catch the reference, but that's what wikipedia is for, right? Yuut 04:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This clan has helped to shape online gaming communities and culture through revolutionary ideas on what comprises roleplay and how to do it. It is refrenced by game designers and even included in a gaming company's game lore. If you can put game lore into Wiki (which you can) this easily qualifies. Normally guilds are NN, but this one seems to be more than just a guild, more closely related to a loosly held organization or cultural entity. Zinian 16:23, 15th August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The gaming organization is reasonably sourced from outside publications. It is apparent that it has had a significant impact on the MMORPG gaming community, including the very games themselves. -Shazbot85 23:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep - Wikipedia gets a lot of people wanting to add articles for their guilds and clans, and probably 99.9% of them are completely non-notable. But Shadowclan has gotten a good amount of external press, and certainly is in that upper echelon of most well-known and significant clans - I'd heard of their activities in Ultima Online, and I've never played the game. --Stormie 00:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
• Added an audio interview of Fogroth of Shadowclan from June of 2001 by Fear of BattlevortexBagginator 01:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.