Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serie B 2006-07 Calendar

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-26 13:33Z

[edit] Serie B 2006-07 Calendar

Serie B 2006-07 Calendar (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

WP:NOT a results service, Serie B 2006-07 covers what is needed. There is no equivalent article for the more senior Serie A ChrisTheDude 13:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

  • This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 13:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as nominator ChrisTheDude 13:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, Wikipedia is not a calendar. Punkmorten 15:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Vague unsourced cut and paste from non-English source is not encyclopedic.Edison 15:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Additionally, IANAL and all that, but if the Italian League does the same kind of licensing as the English one, including the full future fixture schedule is a copyvio. Oldelpaso 19:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom as copyright violation. Bigtop 23:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Retain From reading the comments above I can tell that you guys don't know what you are talking about and you have not taken five minutes to look at the Italian Soccer Pages or the other European soccer pages for that matter. First of all, the more senior league (Serie A)has even more detailed results pages showing scores, goal scorers, time of goals, yellow and red flags etc etc etc. The same applies to the senior english league and spanish league to name 2 others. All this page does is show the results for the year. Once the season is over, it will be an historic record of the 2006/2007 game results. To me that 'is encyclopedic'. And who came up with the idea that re-producing a league schedule is a copyright violation? I bet I will find the same schedule in different forms in hundreds of places throughout the internet.AlexDelPiero 04:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment I can't speak for any other country, but in England the Premier League certainly retain copyright on their fixture lists, and anyone who reproduces them without paying a fee is violating their copyright ChrisTheDude 14:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment Can you corroborate this? That doesn't sound feasible. Just H 17:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
See [1]. Oldelpaso 18:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Comment - Of course this can be corroborated. For instance, (again referring to England, don't know the score elsewhere), a Watford fanzine had to take down fixtures after receiving this Legal Letter It's an issue all web sites and printed matter have to be aware of. - fchd 18:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Comment So you are saying that if I write that Bologna will play Juventus on December 19 I can can sued? That's the most rediculous thing I've heard so far. Team and League schedules of any sport are reproduced everywhere and anywhere. Teams want their fans to know when they will be playing so as to improve attendance and television viewing. I can't believe we are actually arguing this point. Juveboy 23:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, this is the pertinent section from the article linked above. I can't speak for Italy, but in England the situation re: copyright seems pretty clear.....
“ That was reckoning without the keen commercial enforcers at DataCo. This is a company owned by the Premier and Football Leagues, whose job is to charge for publication of the fixture lists, as well as the increasing volume of other data, including match statistics, to which the clubs claim copyright. The operation makes £7m-£8m for English and Scottish professional clubs, paid by 22,000 newspapers, bookmakers, websites and broadcasters here and worldwide. The fee is standard: £266 plus VAT to print the fixtures of one English club. Newspapers printing the fixtures of all clubs, plus a delivery fee, pay around £6,000 plus VAT to DataCo. BSaD, oblivious, printing their own club's forthcoming fixtures, were asked for £266 plus VAT or told they must take them down. ”
  • Retain Every other major football/soccer league (i.e. England) has a page or many pages dedicated to the season calendar. If this page is a copyright violation also FA Premier League results August 2006 is. Moreover the statement "Vague unsourced cut and paste from non-English source is not encyclopedic" is unconsistent: only articles with English sources are encyclopedic? CapPixel 08:12, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment You can't copyright results, they are a matter of historical record. Fixture lists of matches yet to be played are a different matter, however.... ChrisTheDude 15:12, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
      • CommentNow you're picking at straws. Eventually the whole page will be an historical record. In fact, I would argue that the league's decision to schedule certain games on certain dates is a historical fact in itself. Juveboy 17:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Wikipedia is not RSSSF --Angelo 15:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment I would argue that 95% of the sports pages here qualify as RSSSF. Juveboy 17:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Retain I agree with CapPixel. I would invite some constructive critism, as in including an opening paragraph at the top the page or reducing the amount of data (kilobytes) on the page by making in plainer. Juveboy 17:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
    • Keep that part which relates to games already played. Remove the future fixtures if copyright situation applies to Italian fixtures. - fchd 18:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge into the serie B article. This is very useful. Just H 17:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Retain This problem of copyright on fixtures list is a UK law problem Niall123 10:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. ≈Tulkolahten≈≈talk≈ 10:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Retain Very useful page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.130.241 (talk • contribs)
  • Delete per WP:NOT and possible copyright violation. (Nice to see good ole BSaD popping up here!) HornetMike 15:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Retain Nice to see all the english lads picking on the italian soccer page. AlexDelPiero 16:05, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
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