Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sedan, nebraska
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Merge to Edgar, Nebraska, after rewrite. Jaranda wat's sup 00:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sedan, nebraska
A "one-home community" is probably an oxymoron. Be that as it may, there is no evidence that this community officially exists, nor that it meets any notability bar, no matter how lowly set. (Might I suggest a new rule? "One-horse towns, maybe; one-house ones, never.") semper fictilis 17:10, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Delete/rewrite. My current understanding of established consensus is that populated places, regardless of size, are considered "inherently notable". A search of the USGS nameserver does find a Sedan in Nebraska, however it is in Nuckolls County and not Clay as this article states. I can find no proof that this community (as described in the article) exists at all. If someone wants to do a complete rewrite to describe the real place I'd not mind. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 17:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- Rewrite complete. Dhaluza 17:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. I've considered this problem often when considering starting articles on villages in Ethiopia: should an article be written on a community that is otherwise unknown & may vanish at any time? Where should the line be drawn? Size doesn't work because then arguably notable vanished villages in England & ghost towns in the US will be deleted. I've felt something along the lines of verifiability would work best: if you can't find a reliable source -- best examples being an official publication or an eye-witness -- who can confirm the place exists, then it should be deleted -- regardless of size. If someone can't provide proof it exists -- & with the degree of documentation that exists in the US, any existing proof should be possible to find -- then this article is gone. Can anyone provide that proof? -- llywrch 18:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- Comment, undecided opinion: The place exists; see this map at topozone.com, and it's listed as both a populated place and a town/locale. The topographic map shows about seven buildings total. That said, I'm not convinced that all unincorporated locales are inherently notable. As an aside, TopoZone (which I assume takes its information from the Geographic Names Information System) also lists the community of Rowland, Minnesota, which has been a part of Eden Prairie, Minnesota for many years. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 18:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- I noticed that List of unincorporated communities in Nebraska establishes some sort of notability standard for unincorporated communities: census-designated places, post offices, highway maps, or FIPS place codes qualify a place to be on that list. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 18:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- Is topozone.com a reliable source? Please tell us a little about it. I don't want to discover that it is another fallingrain.com -- which I thought was perfectly reliable until a determined probe proved me wrong. -- llywrch 06:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- It uses data from the United States Geological Survey, including topographic maps and place names. I haven't actually done a detailed probe of their site to make sure that they haven't Photoshopped their data (by drawing fake towns or something), but it still checks out in my book. I'm still undecided about the article, though. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 13:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- This is clearly an edge case, & whether this article is kept or deleted it should not be used as a precedent unless someone comes up with a better argument than what has been made so far -- including my contributions. -- llywrch 18:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- It uses data from the United States Geological Survey, including topographic maps and place names. I haven't actually done a detailed probe of their site to make sure that they haven't Photoshopped their data (by drawing fake towns or something), but it still checks out in my book. I'm still undecided about the article, though. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 13:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Little to no content, not verified by sources and even possibly a hoax. VanTucky (talk) 18:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete or make a redirect to Edgar, Nebraska. The first GHit for Sedan, NE gives a page on Edgar, NE. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 18:52, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per above; a hamlet of one house is NN. Redirect per TenPoundHammer. Bearian 19:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- Weak keep on the likelihood that it had more population earlier, and so we do not have to decide if one house makes a hamlet. If a ghost town were once notable enough for WP standards on villages, then it remains N. DGG (talk) 22:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- Redirect per TPH. This article is original research, and I can't find anything to verify the claims found (not that I am the King of Refs, but i tried). the_undertow talk 22:54, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
- Redirect per TPH and tow, or Delete. The article history shows that the author (SirJello37) is no longer with Wikipedia. As with Pinedale Shores, Alabama there's a danger in writing an article about a place that one has never been near, and that is an "interesting" name on a roadmap. If the place was called Stanton instead of "Sedan", would there be an article? Were there an indication that this was a community that is now abandoned (as suggested by DGG also), that would be notable, but this appears to be little more than a rail spur along the Union Pacific Railroad, and a place where grain is delivered to be shipped. I disagree with the idea that populated places, regardless of size, are inherently notable. Every county has dozens of locations that merit a name on the map, but in many cases, it's to label an area between two post offices. Technically, one's home is a "populated place". I don't doubt that there are homes on the road that runs near Sedan, but I think that these people would simply say that they live "near Edgar". Mandsford 13:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep a simple Google search on "Sedan, Nebraska grain elevator" turned up two independent sources that verified it's existence. A USPS zip code lookup revealed the confusion over the county--the zip code center is over the county line. Dhaluza 17:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
