Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Secularization of Christian holidays

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete.  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  15:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Secularization of Christian holidays

Unused disambiguation page (no article links to it). Also an unlikely search term, although one editor has claimed to have searched on it before. Finally, it's POV to include Spring Holiday as a disambiguation item, because it's POV to imply that "Spring Holiday" is evidence of secularization of Christian holidays. (And if Spring Holiday is removed, there's no longer any need for a disambiguation page.) Powers T 15:30, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete, disambiguation pages are for when there are articles on different topics that may be confused with each other. There is no way that someone is going to confuse the article Secularization of Christmas with Spring Holiday. -- Kjkolb 17:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Per above. I think the respective pages might be salvagable, but the disambiguation page is pointless (except for the "point" in POV). Irongargoyle 19:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
  • keepAIUI 20:30, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Note: user's fourth edit. Powers T 00:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete misuse of a disambiguation page GRBerry 05:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep as useful onward direction. I am the user who has searched on the term. I have also nominated articles to be merged there rather than standalone, ie combine Secularisation of Christams and Spring Holiday into one article. It might not be a good example of a disambiguation page. It is however, a useful redirect page to two articles on related topics without producing unnecessary forking and/or repetition. It is highly unlikely looking at the current state of the AfD on Spring Holiday, that that article will be deleted. A redirect to the more specific article will still be useful. I don't think people would guess wihtougt this linking article that one would find information about an aspect of the secularisation of Easter under the title "Spring Holiday". I disagree that it is POV to suggest that "Spring Holiday" is evidence of secularisation of Easter. That is what that article is about and current references 1, 2, & 9 support that assertion, particularly the reference to Bridenbaugh v. O'Bannon, where the US Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals cited, in part, that referring to Good Friday as "Spring Holiday" was evidence of a secular purpose and therefore not unconstitutional. To my mind this is quite adequate and neutral evidence that "Spring Holiday" is one aspect of secularization of Christian holidays.--Arktos talk 10:50, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
    • I strongly disagree that Bridenbaugh is evidence for the "secularization of Easter". All it means is that giving people Good Friday off is ok if it's called something else. The POV that that constitutes "secularization" is not neutral. I continue to maintain that the phenomenon of "Spring Holiday" has nothing to do with any supposed "secularization" of Easter. Powers T 14:34, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per AYArktos; expand/merge. Whether or not some Christian holidays are being "secularized", the fact that a significant number of Americans believe this is the case means we should have an article on the debate. I believe Secularization of Christmas is a subset of this, and Spring Holiday may or may not be a subset. —Quarl (talk) 2006-08-27 22:24Z
    • For the record, I would not object to an actual article on the subject, if it was NPOV and well-written. This is not such an article; it is an attempt at a disambiguation page, and that's what I nominated it for deletion. =) Powers T 23:20, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete not a good start on the road to this topic, about as useful as an article on the De-Catholicization of Roman Catholic holidays to rant about how protestants have usurped the one-and-true-mother-church, blah blah blah. Carlossuarez46 01:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Not a disambiguation page, nor a summary page. Has no place on Wikipedia. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 01:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.