Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Secta Del Mesias
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep, consensus is that the article is notable but suggest that unless reliable secondary sources are added to the article it will get nominated for deletion again in the future. Davewild (talk) 16:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Secta Del Mesias
This sports grouping is not a team, as near as I can make out. It has only 21 Google hits, so I am pretty confident that it is non-notable. Creater of page removes speedy tags without comment, so it would be better to explore this issue at AfD. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 19:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
- I have moved the AFD notice to a article that contained the proper name of the stable, the one that was first brought to AFD was a copy, in this case "Mesias" is capitalized since its the name of a wrestler. - Caribbean~H.Q. 00:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
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- Now as far as the article goes, I say keep, anyone that is familiar with Mexican wrestling can tell you that AAA is one of the two major promotions in the country, this was the top heel (that is "bad guy" in professional wrestling) stable in the company troughout 2007, Mesias even won a national "Top heel award" for his performance with the group last year. The problem here was obviously that the article's author botched the article's title (naming it Secta de mesias), there are certainly more search hits for the proper name [1]. - Caribbean~H.Q. 00:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- The Yahoo search gets 262 hits if you go to the end. And there already is an article for Asistencia Asesoría y Administración. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 00:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Ahem, read above, that page is displaying "251 - 258 of about 5,150" hits. Anyway, that's not the point, the stable has been receiving a lot of media attention in Mexico, which should be enough to establish notability, its a matter of looking for it, particulary in written magazines. - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- That's because the search engine returns are considered to be so marginal that they are not reported. In any case, there are no "reliable third-party sources" as Atyndall points out below. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 04:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, so I guess all of the printed material published in Mexico isn't reliable? professional wrestling in Mexico is even covered in some mainstream magazines, these include corporate giants such as Univision [2]. - Caribbean~H.Q. 05:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sure Mexican professional wrestling is covered in Mexican media. However, this article is not on Mexican professional wrestling, but on Secta Del Mesias. If Secta Del Mesias is covered in some media, the thing to do is prove it. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 05:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- I you take some time to look into that link you will realize that Univision is already providing us a source for Mesias' return to AAA after competing in TNA, that is one reliable source, I can recall coming across at leadt three of those when working with Mesias' article a few months ago. - Caribbean~H.Q. 06:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- That article is a short notice that El Mesias, an individual wrester, is up to something. This AfD is for Secta Del Mesias. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 06:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- I you take some time to look into that link you will realize that Univision is already providing us a source for Mesias' return to AAA after competing in TNA, that is one reliable source, I can recall coming across at leadt three of those when working with Mesias' article a few months ago. - Caribbean~H.Q. 06:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sure Mexican professional wrestling is covered in Mexican media. However, this article is not on Mexican professional wrestling, but on Secta Del Mesias. If Secta Del Mesias is covered in some media, the thing to do is prove it. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 05:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, so I guess all of the printed material published in Mexico isn't reliable? professional wrestling in Mexico is even covered in some mainstream magazines, these include corporate giants such as Univision [2]. - Caribbean~H.Q. 05:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- That's because the search engine returns are considered to be so marginal that they are not reported. In any case, there are no "reliable third-party sources" as Atyndall points out below. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 04:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Ahem, read above, that page is displaying "251 - 258 of about 5,150" hits. Anyway, that's not the point, the stable has been receiving a lot of media attention in Mexico, which should be enough to establish notability, its a matter of looking for it, particulary in written magazines. - Caribbean~H.Q. 01:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- The Yahoo search gets 262 hits if you go to the end. And there already is an article for Asistencia Asesoría y Administración. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 00:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Now as far as the article goes, I say keep, anyone that is familiar with Mexican wrestling can tell you that AAA is one of the two major promotions in the country, this was the top heel (that is "bad guy" in professional wrestling) stable in the company troughout 2007, Mesias even won a national "Top heel award" for his performance with the group last year. The problem here was obviously that the article's author botched the article's title (naming it Secta de mesias), there are certainly more search hits for the proper name [1]. - Caribbean~H.Q. 00:28, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Delete no notability in reliable third-party sources. Atyndall93 | talk 11:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I says keep this page. That way more information about this AAA group could be known. talk) 17:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
If anyone actually followed AAA you would know who these people are. The leader of the gro Mesias has not only been in the headlining feud for the title but with one of the top face for the company. Also Mesias is Judas Mesias on TNA wrestling. if you do a search on YouTube or any mexican wrestling site you will see that this group has grown in popularity. I did correct one error that I had with the Spelling of the name but other that that I have the information just shy of one major event in the storyline. All members now have their own bios up also.Ldeffinbaugh (talk) 01:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Marginal Keep Looks notable to me, but better references would help. Plvekamp (talk) 03:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Keep - AAA has not only national reach (Mexico) but in fact has international reach in Latin America. One of the members was Ricky Banderas; El Cuervo/Dark Cuervo and Ozz were tag team champions for AAA (and precedent per WP:PW is that title holders of major wrestling promotions are themselves notable). Articles could use some improvement, but that barely misses the point. B.Wind (talk) 15:37, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
