Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sean Moore (footballer)

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The result was No consenus, defaulting to keep. Cúchullain ^t/c 02:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sean Moore (footballer)

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This page has assertion of notability, but no references for it, and does not seem to have any "Google Hits" for it. Only decent hit was "Shawn Moore". No great notability shown. No hits with ' "Sean Moore" footballer Bohemian ' either. Admittedly eleven goals in a campaign is good, but not exceptional, or unique. Dreamafter ^⇔ 21:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

• KEEP Bohemian F.C. is an important and long standing league of Ireland club and so its players are notable, just as anyone who'd played for Manchester United in the 1930s would be notable. The player doesn't have to be exceptional or unique. I wonder if the nominator has bothered to look up the guidelines for footballers? Relying on google hits for someone who was active in their field 70 years ago is fatuous. Nick mallory (talk) 22:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Where would I find said "guidelines for footballers"? And just because the League is notable doesn't mean the players are notable. Dreamafter ^⇔ 23:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - I doubt Irish premier division was a professional league in 1935, so the football guidelines just do not fit with it. My delete vote is strictly consequence of the current WP:N criterions, as the subject's only current source is a football match programme. --Angelo (talk) 23:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 23:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

But it was the highest league in Ireland at the time, so it's notable. The fact that it was amateur at that time is irrelevant. Rugby Union and Athletics were amateur until quite recently, that doesn't mean Herb Elliott gets the boot. Nick mallory (talk) 23:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

According to the Football League of Ireland page, the league was founded in 1921, with Bohemians as one of the founding members. Based on that, I believe Nick is correct in that the league can be considered professional as of 1930. However, Nick, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid reason to keep an article. ;-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

• Weak Delete - The player appears to meet the criteria specified in WP:BIO: He played in a professional league, or one that could be considered the highest amateur level at the time. However, there are no reliable sources, which does put a bit of a damper on things. If a source can be provided to confirm his playing in the league, I'll change this to keep. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. I can't find anything in WP:RS which would disallow the source quoted in the article. Sources don't have to be online. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
  • True... but if someone was as notable as is claimed, wouldn't there be at least one on-line bit on him other than just Wikipedia? Dreamafter ^⇔ 21:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

• Not necessarily for a footballer who was playing in the 1930s. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:30, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

• And however true that may be, sources also need to be verifiable. A vague reference to a match program from a quarter of a century ago isn't overly verifiable - we have to assume at least one still exists, as it was used for the reference, but a program like that isn't something you can find in the library either. The very first paragraph of WP:V states "readers should be able to check that material [...] has already been published," which is rather hard to do in this case unless you happen to know a football memorabilia collector that happens to have a copy of this particular program. Hence the lack of reliability of the program. (Afterthought: Now, if the author could provide a PDF of this program, that might be a different story - I'll drop the author a line to see if that's a possibility.) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 05:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. I see no need to discriminate against a noteworthy 1930s ballplayer who played for a club which dates back to the 1890s. RFerreira (talk) 05:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
  • I am not discriminating against it, if I was wouldn't I be nominating every other player too? This one just doesn't show references to prove any of what is claimed. Dreamafter ^⇔ 18:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

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