Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sean Dowdell and His Friends?

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect all to Chester Bennington. (Except the one stricken by the nominator). JERRY ^talk _contribs 03:26, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Note: in a separate action, I speedy-deleted the template, as an unused template having no feasible use. JERRY ^talk _contribs 03:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sean Dowdell and His Friends?

Sean Dowdell and His Friends? (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

...No Sun Today (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Wake Me (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Template:Grey Daze (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable releases (and template) by a non-notable band. The band's article already went through AfD and the result was redirect. Prods removed without comment. Precious Roy (talk) 10:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

• Redirect to Chester Bennington. WP:MUSIC notes that bands where one or more member goes on to another notable group are often notable for that reason, although it notes that redirects are often the more appropriate way to go. Given that the article for the band was changed to a redirect, then, there's no reason the albums shouldn't share the same fate. That being said, the fact that these articles even exist indicates that there has been some progress in gathering reliable sources related to Grey Daze--since that means that the main article could potentially be revived at some point, it'd be good to leave the content of these articles accessible. --jonny-mt 12:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Note that these articles consist of little more than track listings and all are unreferenced. Precious Roy (talk) 13:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
    • I know; all I was trying to point out is that someone has dug up something on Grey Daze (in this case, their discography). Incidentally, the deletion of {{Grey Daze}} should be taken up at WP:TFD rather than here. --jonny-mt 14:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
      • Template stricken. Will take to TFD once this AfD is closed. Precious Roy (talk) 14:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Precious Roy (talk) 13:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep ...No Sun Today is notable. It needs references, but it should not be deleted.

Sean Dowdell and His Friends?, Wake Me are notable by association. « D. Trebbien (talk) 18:20 2008 February 3 (UTC)

Comment Please explain what is notable about ...No Sun Today. Also, note that nothing is "notable by association". Precious Roy (talk) 19:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

If true, "This made the disc highly sought after, due to its rare and almost completely unreleased status." Note that ...No Sun Today is not being nominated for deletion because someone is contesting this.

Also, there are things that are notable by association. First ladies, boyfriends/girlfriends of celebrities, assassins of public figures, flopped albums of famous music groups or singers, etc.

Why do you think that the album and the band are not notable?

« D. Trebbien (talk) 20:16 2008 February 3 (UTC)

Comment Notability is not inherited—period. Nothing about any of these albums meets the criteria for album notability set forth in WP:MUSIC. The band is not notable because an AfD consensus says so. Please read WP:ATA before continuing this discussion; you're not providing any valid arguments here. Precious Roy (talk) 22:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

To cite WP:INTERESTING: "Deletion processes are discussions, not votes, and we encourage people to put forward their opinions." It is my opinion that ...No Sun Today has asserted some notability, which I quoted above, and that it should be kept for this reason.

Additionally, I hardly call Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grey Daze an AfD "consensus". « D. Trebbien (talk) 03:43 2008 February 4 (UTC)

Fair enough, even if you are taking that quote out of context (it's part of WP:ONLYESSAY). Precious Roy (talk) 10:18, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:INTERESTING redirected to a paragraph below. You're right. « D. Trebbien (talk) 15:36 2008 February 4 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JERRY ^talk _contribs 00:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

• Redirect all. Sean Dowell and His Friends are three tracks by a defunct band. Also, this is not a discussion of opinion, deletion debates abide by guidelines and this completely fails the guidelines setforth by Music Notability; specifically,Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs and promo-only records are in general not notable, plus there is no substantial coverage from reliable sources. There is absolutely no reason for these three lines to have a separate article and can sufficiently be redirected. As far as the other two, No Sun Today and Wake Me, ordinarily I would say keep if the band/artist was notable, but Grey Daze has been redirected to Chester Bennington so there is no reason to keep these either. Incidentally, No Sun Today is the only release listed at AMG [1], and the content of the article looks like Original Research ♫ Cricket02 (talk) 16:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

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