Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Screaming Mechanical Brain

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete all for want of WP:N. Cool Hand Luke 00:47, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Screaming Mechanical Brain

Screaming Mechanical Brain (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Also listing the albums just in case. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 00:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Fun with Poop (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
The Process of Assimilation (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
SMB's Museum of Barnyard Oddities (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
There Is No God in Space (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non-notable band, except that they used to be called Screaming Monkey Boner. No independent sources outside of things like a Myspace page; No verifiability. I assume it must even fail WP:BAND. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 00:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Gdansk for merging, by the way. I haven't yet learned how to multiple-nom, and as it was so close to 24:00UTC I didn't want to mess something up. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 00:29, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

There almost as big as Psychostick, if not bigger. The only difference is that Psychostick has had one song on the radio and you can find their album in stores, but that's only because they're on a slightly bigger label. FallenWings47 21:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

You're saying, then, that Screaming Mechanical Brain has had no songs on the radio and you can't find their album in stores? Anyway, if you can provide these article with non-trivial verifiable mentions in independent third-party sources, I'm sure people will change their votes. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 15:43, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all per noms. WP:NN and no WP:RS, until they get some air play and press coverage. Fails to meet WP:BAND. --Evb-wiki 16:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

They're one of the most well known bands in Minnesota. And they fucking rock! Tragedy_Bound_to_Happen 12:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

They've toured with national acts such as Psychostick, Dog Fashion Disco and (həd) p.e.. Bobthegreat47 12:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Touring with another band doesn't make you notable. You're notable when you get non-trivial mention in independent third-party sources which can be verified by Wikipedia editors. Right now, this band's article fails WP:V and WP:RS, and it therefore also fails WP:N. Those are the rules we all abide by at Wikipedia. If you can find some non-trivial mentions in press (preferably something better than a record review in your local paper: a feature article in Spin would be nice), and properly footnote the unsupported statements in the article using those references, then this article could pass AfD, because you would have probably demonstrated some level of notability. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 00:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

No I'm not entirely sure they've had a song on the radio, but they have been mentioned on it. Their CDs can't be found in stores, but that's only because they're not on a very big label. The notability factor really depends on where you come from. Like the bands, Slow Motion Reign or Kittens for Christian aren't very famous and I don't believe they've had any songs on the radio either. But in the area they're from they're probably pretty famous. But the most likely reason they are most well known is because they are signed to System of a Down frontman Serj Tankian's record label, Serjical Strike Records. I'm just trying to make the point that SMB (Screaming Mechanical Brain) is a pretty famous band throughout the United States, but most of all in Minnesota. FallenWings47 12:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

PS FallenWings47: asking your friends Bobthegreat47 and Tragedy_Bound_to_Happen to vote along with you doesn't help your case much. Attributing this article from verifiable independent secondary sources does. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 00:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any particular suggestions on how I should do that? FallenWings47 21:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Best place to learn how to add citations to articles is WP:CITE. Use footnoting, don't put links at the bottom of the page: with footnotes it's easy for an editor to check your sourcing. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 15:15, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete all, no reliable sources so the entire articles are not verifiable, and the band appears to not meet the notability requirements of WP:BAND. It would be great if some secondary sources were found. The articles look nice though. --Pixelface 07:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

All I can really say is use the band's official site or myspace for anything possible, otherwise I don't know what to tell you other than possibly going up to them and getting an interview or something like that. I mean I know most, if not all, that's on the main article is true. But that probably doesn't account for much without sources. And I made the articles for the albums (excluding There Is No God in Space) being I have a copy of each (including There Is No God in Space). I expect these articles are to be deleted, I hope however that you change your mind and leave it be. I mean, if someone went to all the trouble creating the article (yes, there may be no sources but at least it's all very possible information), that's at least got to mean something. FallenWings47 9:55, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

It does look like alot of work was put into the articles, but I suggest you save them until some secondary sources can be found. You should go to each article and click "edit" and copy and paste the text into a new file and save it on your hard drive for safe keeping until there are multiple newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, or television documentaries about the band and their albums. For a band to be notable enough for Wikipedia, it needs to meet the criteria for musicians. All information on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable and attributed to a reliable source. Personal websites and sites like MySpace count as self published sources and don't really count as reliable sources. Try to find a newspaper or magazine in Minnesota that has written about the band (on the Internet or in their print edition). There needs to be multiple articles that have been written by people unrelated to the band before the band is are notable enough for a Wikipedia article. --Pixelface 21:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I guess I understand. I copied them all already so yeah...FallenWings47 18:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC

  • Delete. At this point, the band seems to fail notability and verifiability. --Moonriddengirl 16:46, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment My effort to find sources has not borne much fruit. Their 40K Ghits indicate that they have been relatively successful at promoting themselves online, but finding sources amid the Myspacing, blogs, and lyrics sites has been tough. DynamicZine has an interview[1] and a short review of one album[2], but they don't appear to be a major site. Maximum Ink includes them a capsule review roundup[3] and a micro review roundup[4], as well as miscellaneous club listings. From Google News, I found them mentioned in a Citypages article[5] as a group that "play[s] all-ages dates across the country, with MySpace their effective radio station," but as a reference to SMB itself it is trivial. The St. Paul Pioneer Press had an article, "Kickin' It -- In The 'Burbs: Live, Original Music And Social Networking Web Sites Like Myspace Are Turning Suburban Twin Cities Clubs Into Entertainment Destinations For Restless Urbanites, Young And Old," which unfortunately has already expired from their site, that described them as "one of the Garage's most popular regulars," but apparently was focused more on the club than the band. News Archive mostly turned up club dates, but the Wisconsin State Journal included them in some briefs ("Violent Femmes Get It On the Kisser"). These are probably not enough to save the article. --Groggy Dice T | C 14:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.