Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Orlinger

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was NO CONSENSUS TO DELETE. Herostratus 13:46, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scott Orlinger

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Prod contested without improvement. Non notable minor league wrestler, no evidence of multiple independent non-trivial reliable sources, fails WP:BIO. One Night In Hackney303 07:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Speedy delete, biographical article which contains no references, not even an external link. Burntsauce 16:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as unsourced. No proof that this person did what was claimed, or even existed. DarkAudit 18:52, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. ---Charles 23:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. I've provided references esablishing his notability as a former wrestler for World Championship Wrestling, in particular his participating in the WCW Cruiserweight Tag Team Championship tournament in 2001, as well as his title reigns in Ohio Valley Wrestling. He is also signed to a developmental contract for World Wrestling Entertainment and, although I found no suitable reference for this, OVW is a developmental territory for the WWE and he has appeared on several televised events for the promotion in 2005. MadMax 00:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Perhaps you'd like to provide non-trivial sources then? The only source that isn't just his name on a page is a website that states This is just a wrestling fan site. One Night In Hackney303 04:05, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. If you'll notice the "reference" section above "external links", Prowrestlinghistory.com and the Puroresu Dojo are the reliable references I was refering to. MadMax 06:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Yes, and they are clearly the "name on a page" sources I was referring to, so how about some non-trivial reliable sources please? One Night In Hackney303
  • Comments. The previous two arguments supporting the article's deletion are biographical article which contains no references, not even an external link and No proof that this person did what was claimed, or even existed. The two references I provided clearly show both his existance and valid evidence of his accomplishments. MadMax 07:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't see any of those criteria in WP:BIO, perhaps you'd like to point out where they are on the page, or have you just made them up? One Night In Hackney303 07:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. As per WP:BIO, the article fufills the criteria for a person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field (competed in a tournament for a championship title) and Competitors who have played in a fully professional league (in this case, World Championship Wrestling, Ohio Valley Wrestling, and World Wrestling Entertainment). This also fufills significant roles in notable films, television, stage performances, and other productions requirement used for actors as the individual regularly appeared televised events for all three promotions. MadMax 08:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Sorry, I think you're confusing theatre with sport. Wrestlers are actors, not sportsmen. As for his role being significant, please prove that. One Night In Hackney303 08:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. That may be your opinion, however many wrestling promotions in the U.S. such as Maryland Championship Wrestling are regulated by state athletic commissions and are under state law considered sporting events. However, as this is not a discussion on the differences between athletic and sporting events, even under the "actors" guidelines of WP:BIO he does meet this requirement. MadMax 08:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment No it isn't opinion, it's a fact. Professional wrestling is not a sport. As before, please show how his minor role was significant? One Night In Hackney303 08:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Again, I would think his role in a televised championship tournament is a fairly significant one as well as his frequent appearances on Smackdown! and WWE Heat. As I've already provided a reference for his role televised tournament match, I do think it would be excessive to cite every televised event he's ever appeared in. As far as your thoughts on professional wrestling, I would ask that the topic be kept on the article itself. MadMax 08:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment The facts about professional wrestling are wholly relevant to this debate, and you've also ignored your constant use of wrestlecruft arguments that ignore notability guidelines in other AfDs. Simply appearing on a few occasions on a number of TV shows does not make him pass WP:BIO. One Night In Hackney303 09:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. If you would like to discuss this issue with the members of WP:PW, I'm sure they would welcome such a debate. However, as it applies in this case, I don't believe there is any consensus on Wikipedia classifing professional wrestling as theatrical performances. Furthermore, appearing on televised events for three notable promotions against notable competitors does make him notable weither you choose to refer to them as "performers" or "athletes". MadMax 09:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I have no wish to engage in any such debate, as the majority of members, including yourself, are rabid inclusionists for every four sentence stub about every wrestler that has ever existed, and show little inclination to include encyclopedic content. This is an encyclopedia not a wrestling fan site. You are again mistaken with your assertion of notability. Is every actor that has appeared on Friends notable? One Night In Hackney303 09:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. I would politely ask you once again to refrain from making negative remarks of myself and other editors. If you wish to refer to professional wrestlers as actors, that is your right although it remains your personal opinion. However, in comparison to television series with televised professional wrestling events, your analogy does not apply in this case. I might as well as you if characters from Star Trek or the Simpsons should be covered as well. MadMax 10:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment One Night in Hackney, you don't seem to care about the criteria of WP:BIO unless if meets your wishes. If you don't succeed in getting rid of an article trying to cite WP:BIO then you go to WP:V, and if that doesn't work then you try something else like WP:POV or pull WP:COI completely out of nowhere. Maybe you just need to read M:Don't be a dick. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Theophilus75 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC).
  • Keep Has competed at the highest level. His career may have gone downhill afterwards but notability is forever, remember the policies! ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 20:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Reply Professional wrestling is known as "sports entertainment" and its workers as "athletes". It may not be legit competition but then again, Synchronised swimming is an Olympic sport! ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 20:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment If pro-wrestling was in the Olympics I'd be happy to say they were sportspeople, but it isn't and they aren't. One Night In Hackney303 20:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Reply I guess I'll have to remove my vote and be glad that rules for wrestler bios aren't as strict as those for adult movie 'stars' (see WP:PORNBIO). ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 20:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
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