Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scalar-Tensor

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. Ichiro 05:35, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scalar-Tensor

"The scalar-tensor theory of gravitation is one of the most popular alternatives to Einstein’s theory of gravitation." (Cambridge University Press have a book about it) I can't decide whether this is crackpot or just a pleasant alternative. r3m0t ^talk 20:30, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete as nonsense as written. That wasn't my field of physics admittedly, but casual inspection seems to indicate it would be more easily rewritten if nuked from orbit for a fresh start. --Syrthiss 20:41, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

  Comment: I'm not sure if this is nonsense, but it certainly isn't patent nonsense which would be the speedy deletion requirement. Patent nonsense is a random collection of characters or words. Stifle 13:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. The first three paragraphs make sense, but really need to be rewritten to be more accessible. The remaining paragraphs make some sense to me, enough that I feel that this does not qualify for deletion as original research or nonsense, but really require expert input and may be too specialized for Wikipedia. The article probably should be renamed to Scalar-Tensor theories of gravitation. ManoaChild 22:38, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Rewrite The author really needs to determine the audience for whom the article is to be written. It doesn't look like there is a detailed-enough discussion for theoretical physicists to engage with and there is not enough popular science exposition of the topic for interested amateurs. -- (aeropagitica)  23:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: I'm only a casual observer of physics, but the material seems to be legitimate, and Googling a couple of terms matches. I think the suggestion to Rename is good, but I'd suggest "Scalar-Tensor gravitation" as shorter and just as valid, since everything in physics is a theory. Some combination of adding and rewriting would help make an introduction that would make it more acessible. Hu 23:17, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
  • To me, "theory" distinguishes it from "experiments" and "empirical models", but it's probably not a useful distinction here. The shorter name would be fine. ManoaChild 23:45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Seems to be legitimate. Guess it could be sent to cleanup (or a physicist who is also a teacher). Cyde Weys _vote^talk 05:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Definitely makes sense. I've tagged with {{expert}} and {{context}}. Stifle 13:42, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

• The page was changed in format and information. It now possesses more information and better context. Might only need more work of more people on it, as it may be a stub now. the information in it is verified in physical journals and should not be deleted.Nbez 17:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

This vote was added on the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crazy Dee page; I moved it here and fixed both AfD pages. bikeable (talk) 18:52, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

• Keep The format and information in the page was changed by now, so that it is more comprehensible than at the beginning. Moreover, the name scalar-tensor theory (maybe scalar-tensor theories of gravitation) should be the right one (such theories are found under that name in physical journals). The name describes a wide amount of different theoretical models that use these scalar fields along with tensor fields. I think, other kind of scalar-tensor theories, should come here, too.

This theories (as models for nature) are surely used mainly on gravitation, but it might not have to be like that, although I don't know any Lagrangian of that form in other fields of physics. However, such Lagrangians (the basic of the theory) could certainly be used on other non-gravitational fields (I know, tensor calculus and metrica of General Relativity are used to work on sand and things like that), as part of phenomenological models (what would not say they are gravitational). However, it would be good if it is worked on the article... 141.70.111.178 15:40, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.