Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah Onyango Obama

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep ---- Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sarah Onyango Obama

Sarah Onyango Obama (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Not notable enough. --Philip Stevens (talk) 19:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Why are you interested in deleting the whole Obama family? (see below) What about deleting Hillary's husband. :) --Weißer Reiher (talk) 19:22, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Hillary's husband was notable, Sarah Onyango is not. --Philip Stevens (talk) 19:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Let me tell you: Even as a non-American, I know Sarah Obama - there's been a report about the Obama family in German TV. There, Sarah Obama told us that she's very disappointed about the way people try to harm her grandson. So there's international media interest. Keep. --Weißer Reiher (talk) 19:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete (or possibly redirect to Barack Obama). Insufficient notability to support a standalone article. Immediate parents of major political figures are notable, step-grandmothers notable for no other reasons are not. Jfire (talk) 19:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Changing vote to move to and expand at Kenyan relatives of Barack Obama. Sources have been added to the article since I first looked at it that do cover Obama's relatives (Sarah, his paternal uncle Said, and others) significantly. I agree with GreekParadise that the fact that a leading presidential candidate has relatives living in a small village in Africa is significant, and we can report on that significance in line with our notability policies and based on what reliable sources have said. However, the point still stands that the coverage is only because of and in relation to Obama's presidential hopes -- none of these individuals are notable as individuals, but rather for their situation and their connection with Obama, and we should cover them in the light of that fact. Jfire (talk) 17:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I've done a rewrite along these lines at User:Jfire/Kenyan_relatives_of_Barack_Obama. In addition to adhering to the notability guidelines, it provides additional facts and replaces YouTube links that violate Wikipedia's policy on linking to copyright violations with non-violating links to the same material. Jfire (talk) 19:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete the fact that she made some comment on german tv does not make her notable, nor does her being a member of Obama's family. Fails WP:BIO. --Asmodeus Samael (talk) 20:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete due to my same reasons as at the deletion discussion at Madelyn Dunham. –– Lid(Talk) 01:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep, just like Madelyn Dunham. GlassCobra 18:44, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - not notable; no need for her own article. Tvoz |talk 07:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep - For the first time in American history, we may have a President who has a woman he considers his grandmother not only living in a foreign country but in a small village in Africa with no television set. This is not just notable; it's mind-boggling. Imagine a United States President visiting a tiny village in Africa to see his "grandmother." This is the kind of thing that can dramatically change perceptions of the United States of America worldwide. And you folks want to delete it? There is no mention of Sarah Obama on Barack Obama's wikipedia entry whatsoever. So by deleting this article, you would wipe out of wiki-existence not only an important person in his life but the most significant living tie of a likely US President to a third-world country in all of US history. At the very least, she should be merged into the Barack Obama article, but I think she more properly has her own article. That way, when she is mentioned throughout the world as one reason why people in third-world countries trust America more if Obama became President, people at least will understand who she is. This sounds like a POV but it is not. It is a fact that there is a striking and dramatic difference between a President who is the son of President and grandson of a US Senator and a Presidential aspirant who is the grandson of a poor family in Africa. Sarah Obama is the living embodiment of that difference. GreekParadise (talk) 16:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - Considering that George W. Bush's great-great grandfather has an article of his own, I believe that Barack Obama's step-grandmother, who is still alive and giving interviews to the press, is notable enough to warrant an article. --Tocino 05:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC) (Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sarah_Obama") —Preceding unsigned comment added by GreekParadise (talk • contribs)
  • That was a talk page comment; please don't synthesize !votes from other editors. If User:Tocino wants to !vote, he/she needs to come here to do so. Jfire (talk) 16:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't see the problem. He/She voted to keep the article before there was a vote to delete it. I don't see why we need to bother him/her, but since you insist, I will ask him/her to come here and RE-vote. GreekParadise (talk)17:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep or Merge into an article on Barack Obama's Kenyan family. Either alternative is acceptable, but there are clearly enough notability-establishing sources for this material. I don't think it much matters whether it is in an article titled Sarah Obama or Kenyan relatives of Barack Obama or something else, as long as the material is kept. --Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.