Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah Natochenny

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Withdrawn by nominator (non admin close). Dustitalk to me 19:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sarah Natochenny

Sarah Natochenny (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

There are no sources retaining to her notability, even if she is a voice actress. The article fails to address her Notability. In my opinion, the page is considered vanity. If you have any questions about this proposal, please let me know on my talk page. Harold26 (c) 05:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletion discussions. -- Wisdom89 (T / C) 06:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. Pokemon is such a major TV-series that anyone voice-acting a major role as Ash Ketchum (the series' main protagonist) is notable. She has not voice acted the role as much as Veronica Taylor, but the notability between the two is comparable. I am having locating the best sources with Google, because there are message boards and wikis, but that she actually is the voice actor is at least independently verifiable. [1] Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - fails WP:BIO [2], [3]. I just don't see much in the way of significant coverage from reliable sources. Wisdom89 (T / C) 07:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep per Sjakkalle. Elfits FOR GREAT JUSTICE (klat) 11:10, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong delete - fails WP:BIO--Alchemy12 (talk) 11:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • keep With a bit more work & less vandals it will become a great artical Richardson j (talk) 11:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep She is a voice actress/actress, and just about every famous (or somewhat famoue) actor/actress, stage, TV or otherwise, has a page here on Wikipedia. NoseNuggets (talk) 12:25 PM US EDT Apr 1 2008
    Please see WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Wisdom89 (T / C) 17:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • My two cents (not a vote) - You see, just because she's a voice actress/actress, does not exactly mean she deserves a page, no offense. Not to mention there are other minor-to-major errors there on her page: No sources, no citation, and she is still not exactly notable, despite voice acting since around June-August 2006. In addition, her page is targeted by vandalism because of people who hate her voice acting. What's next? A Wikipedia page on the Rangers suck chant? Harold26 (c) 20:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. —Farix (Talk) 12:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep As a voice actress of a main character in a very well know and notable animated television series, she pass the criteria in WP:BIO#Entertainers. Granted that the article could use sources, but much of its content is based on the credits of the works she has been involved in. The remaining information, if not sourced to credits or other reliable sources, should be removed per WP:BLP. --Farix (Talk) 12:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep I think she's covered under the additional criteria of WP:BIO. However, voice actors are not specifically named, so she may count either as a "creative professional" or an "entertainer" - but I think either way she's covered.

    One of the additional criteria for "creative professionals" is: The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, which has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. Surely Pokemon, massive franchise that it is, has been the subject of many independent books, articles and reviews even only since 2006. And if being the voice actress for the main character doesn't count as a "major role in co-creation", well, then, what does?

    On the other hand, one of the additional criteria for "entertainers" is that they have: had significant roles or been featured multiple times in notable films, television, stage performances, and other productions. She has played the main character in the Pokemon TV series since 2006, as well as two Pokemon movies. In addition, she played the main character of Alicia in Bullet Witch. These are significant roles in notable productions. (She also did the voice of the "Pokemon Trainer" in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, which seems like a slightly less major role but having not played it I can't be 100% sure on that.)

    So, whichever way you swing it, I think she's notable. And, by the way, a page being the target of vandalism is absolutely no reason to delete it! Vigilancy in reverting the vandalism, yes; deletion of the article, no. Also, Sjakkalle has provided a source that shows she is the voice actress for Ash, and here's one that shows she was the voice actress for Alicia in Bullet Witch: [4] These can easily be added to the article to solve its complete-lack-of-sources problem. -- KittyRainbow (talk) 12:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete, unnotable dub voice actress who fails WP:BIO. Completely unsourced except seemingly from her own MySpace page and IMDB. Collectonian (talk) 14:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Part II - Well, if Tourette's Guy is not considered notable per our guidelines here, then I guess Sarah Natochenny isn't either, no offense to anyone. Even if she is the voice actress of Ash Ketchum, she just doesn't fit the mold of our notability guidelines. It's a tough decision, but the reason why I don't think she is notable is because she only has 2,680 Google hits [5]. She fails the "Google test", and that is one of the crucial parts of my notability test. So far, 4 for and 6 against. This looks to be a close race. Harold26 (c) 03:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  • If the number of GHits is a critical part of your notability test, then it is a flawed test. See WP:GHITS as to why a Google test is not an indicator of notability or non-notability. The existence or non-existence of a article also does not reflect on the notability of a different subject, see WP:OTHERSTUFF. I'll also remind you that AFD is a discussion, not a vote. Those with stronger policy based comments will be waited more then those that are WP:ILIKEIT or WP:IDONTLIKEIT, and your comments falls into the latter category. --Farix (Talk) 11:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep per KittyRainbow's excellent analysis. (The "Pokemon Trainer" in Brawl is a playable character by the way.) Also, the nominator apparently doesn't understand what "vanity" refers to, or rather referred to, within Wikipedia policy. It applied only to pages created by their subjects. --erachima talk 20:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  • More comments I didn't know that, erachima. Sorry about misunderstanding the vanity policies. Harold26 (c) 01:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep She is the voice actor for one of the most recognisable TV shows and voices the main character, there is no doubt she is notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurowoofwoof111 (talk • contribs) 23:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Agreement to Close AFD - I think we came to a good agreement about this debate. Just make sure sources are added, they're verifiable. This debate can be closed now, but make sure it doesn't get wrecked by Sarah's "haters," because they're quite common. Harold26 (c) 06:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


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