Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sant Baljit Singh

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP. Owen× ☎ 03:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sant_Baljit_Singh

I received a communication from Sant Baljit Singh's organization that he feels this page or sources it links to violates his copyright. His organization wants it removed. I don't see any problems with the page but would like to respect his wishes in this regard. Please Delete. Sevadar 09:50, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep - if there is copyright material, that should be removed. We shouldn't delete a whole page on a person or organization at their request, and this page is encyclopedic. Squiddy 10:00, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. This reads mostly promotional and hagiographic anyway. Gamaliel 10:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep People aren't entitled to have their articles removed on request. If there is copyrighted material his organisation can remove it themselves. CalJW 10:41, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep – If he is notable enough, he can merit a place in WP. I don't see any copyright violations here unless the text/image was copied verbatim from the original site. =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:46, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Copyvio issues, if any, may be taken care of. --Bhadani 12:00, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Squiddy et al. Ifnord 17:03, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as encyclopedic and notable. Dude looks an awful lot like I did about five years ago when I played the Ghost of Christmas Present in an elaborate local production of A Christmas Carol. Talk about a double take. I've since lost the beard (and some weight).  :) - Lucky 6.9 21:03, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, but edit with a chain saw. Denni ☯ 21:49, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Sant Baljit Singh's organization can use Wikipedia:Request for immediate removal of copyright violation. Seano1 06:13, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Seano1. Stifle 23:52, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per Squiddy, Ifnord, et al., but edit as per Denni. I am from Sant Baljit Singh's organization, and there must have been a misunderstanding, as we did not want to begin the "Articles for Deletion process", though I would personally like to edit the article heavily. I would have done so but for my respect for the author since it would have involved large scale changes/deletions. And of course, I am subject to higher scrutiny for NPOV as a volunteer in Sant Baljit Singh's organization. Given this article's current state on the "Articles for Deletion" list, and pending no objections from the original author or the Wikipedia community, I plan to make the following changes to the article:
  • The author's link to raw transcripts of talks by Sant Baljit Singh given in non-public settings is of questionable appropriateness and value in a public forum, and would be considered a Copyright violation.
  • The narrative description of blow-by-blow events of the "Succession" from Sant Thakar Singh to Sant Baljit Singh could easily be summed up concisely as to dates, places, and significant aspects and facts, without infringing upon Copyright of Sant Baljit Singh or Sant Thakar Singh. Or that of authors of reports who never intended their writings to be made available on a public forum.
  • Cleanup of opinion, e.g., "His message on these visits has been both blunt and direct" or "Sant Baljit Singh is very different in background, temperament, and in method, from Sant Thakar Singh."
  • Refrain from quoting anonymous sources.
  • Refrain from quoting non-expert sources who never meant their writings to be available on a public forum and indeed never published them outside of the organization. Apart from Copyright issues and respect for the privacy of these individuals, I feel the value to the public is questionable.

Kevin 06:08, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• • • It is not a "copyright violation" to link to or quote from sources of any particular type. Gamaliel 08:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
      • Agreed. Kevin 11:07, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Izehar 21:09, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - ask him to help to write the page if he is so worried. Zordrac 12:20, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.