Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samuel Lincoln
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. --Coredesat 04:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Samuel Lincoln
This person is not notable enough. He is only notable for being Abraham Lincoln's ancestor. Even though Honest Abe was famous, this is not true for his ancestor. CheckeredFlag200 05:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
The only reason why Hingham, Massachusetts commemorated him was because he was Abe's ancestor, not because he founded the church. There must have been others who had a greater role in founding the church.CheckeredFlag200 05:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. For me, it's almost enough that here we have a higher-than-usual amount of recorded information about a very early American colonist. Also, as the article (now) mentions, he was the ancestor not only to Abe Lincoln, but to two Massachusetts governors and a governor of Maine. Perhaps his commemoration was due to his famous line of descent, but the argument that there "must have been others who had a greater role in founding the church" is speculative in light of Lincoln being the only one who appears to have been commemorated for it. bd2412 T 13:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- But look, for example, at John Perkins, who founded Perkins Island near Massachusetts, and his daughter Mary Bradbury, a Salem witchcraft victim. They are probably more notable than Samuel Lincoln, but they don't have a Wikipedia page. The case you're making about two Massachusetts governors and a governor of Maine being descended from Samuel Lincoln is nothing when you see the HUGE number of descendants of John Perkins. Mary Bradbury alone was an ancestor of a writer (Ray Bradbury), a poet (Ralph Waldo Emerson), an astronaut (Alan Shepard), and two actors/actresses (Bette Davis and Christopher Reeve) - more notables than Samuel Lincoln. And John Perkins was an ancestor of THREE Presidents of the United States, not just one - Millard Fillmore, Calvin Coolidge, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Another note was that the tablet at the Old Ship Church was dedicated on the 300th anniversary of Samuel's arriving in the United States rather than the finishing of the church. I think they commemorated his arrival because he was an ancestor of who most people think was the greatest President in American history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CheckeredFlag200 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- Well if you think they should have articles go ahead and make them. That other people lack an article is not a reason to remove an existing article. In any event, if this AfD is just going to be you and I spinning out wheels, no consensus will develop one way or the other. Cheers! bd2412 T 17:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I don't think the Perkinses are notable myself - it's just that they're more notable than Samuel Lincoln.CheckeredFlag200 18:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- Well if you think they should have articles go ahead and make them. That other people lack an article is not a reason to remove an existing article. In any event, if this AfD is just going to be you and I spinning out wheels, no consensus will develop one way or the other. Cheers! bd2412 T 17:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- But look, for example, at John Perkins, who founded Perkins Island near Massachusetts, and his daughter Mary Bradbury, a Salem witchcraft victim. They are probably more notable than Samuel Lincoln, but they don't have a Wikipedia page. The case you're making about two Massachusetts governors and a governor of Maine being descended from Samuel Lincoln is nothing when you see the HUGE number of descendants of John Perkins. Mary Bradbury alone was an ancestor of a writer (Ray Bradbury), a poet (Ralph Waldo Emerson), an astronaut (Alan Shepard), and two actors/actresses (Bette Davis and Christopher Reeve) - more notables than Samuel Lincoln. And John Perkins was an ancestor of THREE Presidents of the United States, not just one - Millard Fillmore, Calvin Coolidge, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Another note was that the tablet at the Old Ship Church was dedicated on the 300th anniversary of Samuel's arriving in the United States rather than the finishing of the church. I think they commemorated his arrival because he was an ancestor of who most people think was the greatest President in American history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CheckeredFlag200 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 14:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. The article itself does not make any assertion of his notability. Clarityfiend 02:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge Notability is not inherited (or whatever the opposite of inherited is!) Corpx 04:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- Delete since his notability is primarily genealogical and consequently local. Not important enough to merge into Abe's article, really. --Dhartung | Talk 05:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per CheckeredFlag200--Truest blue 17:58, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep this is an article about an early American settler who was the patriarch of the Lincoln family, it would be foolish to delete this article.--Southern Texas 23:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep The plain fact is that virtually every aspect of Lincoln's personal life and ancestry is notable and of interest to the public. Samuel Lincoln is mentioned in David Herbert Donald's biography of Lincoln -- the most significant single volume biography of Lincoln in decades. Tom (North Shoreman) 00:00, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
- No. See the comments of Clarityfiend and Corpx.71.92.70.77 04:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
- Keep per argument of BD2412. ALKIVAR™ ☢ 04:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
