Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samaka GPMG mount

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, really confused article, no prejudice to re-creation if a good article can be created. ELIMINATORJR 22:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Samaka GPMG mount

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Don't really know how to do this. --Asams10 13:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC) (Malformed AfD repaired by Sandstein 16:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC))

• Delete for lack of WP:RS. Fancruft or hoax probable. Something in 7.92mm would not be called 'kanone'. Leibniz 15:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep have added a ref that suggests this is not a hoax. --Oscarthecat 17:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Some reference. "Everything is submitted and created by the Rifles N Guns community." Created sounds apt. Leibniz 17:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Have faith brother. More refs added, furthering the theory that this isn't a hoax. --Oscarthecat 18:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

• Based on the Williams ref, something called "Salvenmaschinenkanone" may exist in the form of obscure prototypes, but that is not a GPMG mount. The trouble with this article is that it was created by a permablocked vandal who confused everything with more than one barrel. Leibniz 18:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, I won't pretend to know anything on the subject, I'll leave it be now. Regards, --Oscarthecat 18:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

• Weak delete pending any actual reliable sources, which does not include random web pages. A Google search for Salvenmaschinenkanone indicates that such a prototype flak gun probably did exist, but we really would need some published reference book as a source. Sandstein 19:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep for the time being.It appears such a weapon existed but the details in the article are wrong, there are photos [here] of such a wepon but its 20mm not 7.92mm.KTo288 21:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

But what do you want to keep? Salvenmaschinenkanone or GPMG mount? Very different beasts. It is like an article on catdog with pictures of cats and data on dogs. Leibniz 21:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete as Copyvio of the first reference article. Askari Mark (Talk) 05:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. Whatever is decided here, it must be noted that essentially the same article was created here by a user who is most likely our good friend Jetwave Dave, the aforementioned permanently banned vandal. If this (Samaka) is deleted, the other should go as well. Parsecboy 18:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

• Delete text does not make sense, talks about a Gatling gun but the system is nothing like it.

One of the references does not display. The pictures reference has nothing to do with the articles. The pictures are not real guns, they seem to lack any way to feed ammunition to the guns and are not mentioned by any reliable source.

I doubt the images from the Russian museum are fakes; they are more likely incomplete examples of the weapons. However, they are 20-30mm weapons, not the 7.92mm the article states.Parsecboy 22:00, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per all delete arguments, nothing left to say --Childzy ¤ Talk 21:46, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

--Rbaal 08:24, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.