Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam H. Toubin
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete — if you want a copy of the deleted article to merge content from, request one. --Haemo 01:18, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sam H. Toubin
This individual does not meet notability criteria; the only claims the article makes are that he operated nine stores in Texas and donated money to a few local organizations. He is of no more than local interest, if that, and does not appear to be the subject of any reliable sources. The creator has asserted on the talk page that he is important to Jewish Texan history, but there is no claim for that in the article. Karanacs 14:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. No indication of notability beyond local prominence. This game of Jewish Geography gets old. Just being successful does not make you "important to Jewish history" whether it's Texas or Tel Aviv. --15:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhartung (talk • contribs)
- Delete. As with other articles in this walled garden, notability is neither asserted nor present. If you follow the internal links, you will know why I'm concerned that this really is a walled garden of "Texan Jewish history" that could be concentrated into a single encyclopedic article (which does not presently exist, AFAIK) rather than attempting to cross-link a number of individuals who don't meet notability standards in their own right with the establishment of buildings, synagogues, theatres, etc., most of which don't meet notability standards. There is content spread thinly through this garden, but in my opinion -- and possibly the opinion of the nominators -- it's not correctly focused under the right article heading. Accounting4Taste 17:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- The "parent" articles, History of the Brenham Jewish Community and History of the Galveston Jewish Community, already exist. A lot of the information in the articles I've nominated for deletion do appear in the parent articles. Karanacs 17:52, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Karanacs: So then the correct thing would have been for you to look for the Jewish Texans article and either asked for the articles to be put into History of the Brenham Jewish Community and History of the Galveston Jewish Community or asked for a "merge" but not a blanket deletion of all the information that have come with enough reliable sources to be kept. IZAK 19:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- The "parent" articles, History of the Brenham Jewish Community and History of the Galveston Jewish Community, already exist. A lot of the information in the articles I've nominated for deletion do appear in the parent articles. Karanacs 17:52, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per above -Drdisque 17:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete cannot establish meeting WP:BIO. No assertion in article. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 18:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep or Merge into History of the Brenham Jewish Community because this article is part of a group of articles relating to Jews and Judaism in Texas (the others being James Simon (Businessman), Henry Cohen Community House, Jimmy Kessler, Rosa Levin Toubin, Simon Theatre Simon family, Joe Levin (Businessman), Alex Simon, Sam H. Toubin) that have been nominated for deletion by User Karanacs (talk · contribs) (and another, Temple Freda nominated by another user) yet taken as a whole these articles are a valuable set of records about a topic in a state with relatively few Jews and with an even scantier record of notable Jews, Judaism and Jewish history in it. There is indeed a great need for an article about History of the Jews in Texas and these articles would all be good starting points and resources for it. This article, like the others in this group, cite adequate sources and meet the minimal requirements to be kept. The nominator is requested to reconsider her nominations of these articles. Thank you, IZAK 19:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions. IZAK 19:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- The article does not meet WP:V; the sources cited either are not reliable or only mention the subject in passing. Karanacs 19:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karanacs (talk • contribs)
- Karanacs: The correct thing would still have been for you to look for the Jewish Texans article and either asked for the articles to be put into History of the Brenham Jewish Community and History of the Galveston Jewish Community or asked for a "merge" but not a blanket deletion of all the information that have come with enough reliable sources to be kept. IZAK 19:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- The article does not meet WP:V; the sources cited either are not reliable or only mention the subject in passing. Karanacs 19:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karanacs (talk • contribs)
- REQUEST: In order to reach a greater consensus about the related "Texas Jews articles" that have been nominated for deletion, please see and add your views at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Nominations of Texas Jews articles for deletion. Thank you, IZAK 00:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Merge into History of the Brenham Jewish Community. In the current state of the article, it looks like the sources are essentially primary, which would mean that Wikipedia would be the first place that a comprehensive biography on this individual would be published. Understanding and appreciating the effort involved in bringing this material together, the difficulty is that Wikipedia is intended only to republish material whose significance and accuracy has previously vetted by other sources; a first biography would be prohibited by the no original research policy and biography guideline. I would suggest merging this material with an article on a broader topic such as History of the Brenham Jewish Community, since the policy for stand-alone biographies is stricter than the requirements for brief mention in a broader article. As a stand-alone article there currently isn't enough sourcing to meet policy requirements. If additional sourcing is found please let me know and I'd be happy to reconsider. Best, --Shirahadasha 00:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Does not satisfy WP:BIO. Edison 19:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep or Merge into History of the Brenham Jewish Community. Bhaktivinode 13:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
