Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salt Grammar School

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep (closed by non-admin). RMHED (talk) 19:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Salt Grammar School

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Speedy declined and the person removed some of the unencyclopedic content, however there is still nothing notable about this school. Travellingcari (talk) 20:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep School is a specialist school in Maths and Computing. Also has recently received The Sportsmark 2007/8 award. Paste (talk) 22:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —Camaron | Chris (talk) 18:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. It is notable for being one of the few surviving grammar schools - there are only 164 grammar schools left in the whole of England. This one also has a history going back to the 1800s. Dahliarose (talk) 18:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment. After a few quick searches I've now discovered that Salt Grammar School is a historically important school. A whole book has been written about it which will be a valuable source for further expansion if anyone local has access to it. The school was founded by Sir Titus Salt as a factory school for the children of the model village of Saltaire which is now a World Heritage Site. Despite its name it no longer appears to be a grammar school.

  • Keep - historic grammar school. Plenty of sources available from which the page can be expanded and which meet WP:N. TerriersFan (talk) 18:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment I didn't think schools were inherently notable, even though Wikipedia:Notability (schools) is just a proposal. My nomination stemmed from the fact that I could find no evidence of 2nd party coverage that doesn't concern an event at the school. Travellingcari (talk) 19:29, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - events at the school are fine when covered in reliable sources. Even in your search there are several significant references which, taken with Dahliarose's research, incontrovertibly meet WP:N. TerriersFan (talk) 23:22, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment. For UK schools you should search on www.google.co.uk and confine the search to the UK. There are also UK-specific sources listed at WP Schools. A search at COPAC or Google Books would have told you about the published history. Dahliarose (talk) 23:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

    • Reply fair enough, but that wouldn't have helped much for news in this case. You guys have done a good job cleaning it up since I met it, I'll give you that. I'm curious what these UK-specific sources are is this the schools proposal you're speaking of? I'd obviously not have nominated it if I thought it met the criteria. I'm probably missing what defines it as notable Travellingcari (talk) 04:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
That's very odd. I'm getting pages and pages of results here. There are lots of source links at Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools. Any school of this age will inevitably have plenty of sources available, even if they're not online. Dahliarose (talk) 09:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Web v. Google News, got the difference now. I default to News first in order to directly find ~60-80%% (depending on article subject) of the reliable sources for most articles. When nothing shows in a local/national/int'l newspaper, then I trifle more in Web searches for something that might pass for reliable. I know the sources in Project School, I was looking at the proposed guidelines which say, A school is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage[1] in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the school itself. The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability.[2] and while I agree there *should* be a ton of sources on a 100+ year old school, there haven't proved to be that many that meet WP:RS. But it looks like I'm outvoted here, I can live with that. Travellingcari (talk) 12:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
A whole book on the history of a school is significant coverage and is a reliable secondary source. It can hardly be described as trivial. The sources available online are only the tip of the iceberg. It is also worth searching separately on Google Books. Dahliarose (talk) 14:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep as school with such a long history should be able to satisfy notability. Potential to expand and currently a valid stub.

Sting au Buzz Me... 04:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep Secondary schools are part of wikiproject schools. Snowman (talk) 17:33, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.