Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salk School of Science

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-11 06:28Z

[edit] Salk School of Science

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Non-notable middle school. That's right, I said middle school. *sighs* Soltak | Talk 00:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete as it does not appear to meet the core notability guideline or the proposed guideline for notability on schools. --Kyra~(talk) 01:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
    • Keep; First, I am not sure if this qualifies as a non-trivial award, but SSoS did win a Blackboard Award "as an outstanding public middle school"; even if the award is trivial, the information provided by WMMartin is an indication that there are most likely some non-trivial sources to be found somewhere. As such, this school seems to just meet the notability criteria. Kyra~(talk) 18:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Unreferenced, fails all notability req's. P.B. Pilhet / Talk 01:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
The article is now referenced, but the cited website is actually just the school's homepage, not a third party source. And there's still nothing in the article itself that states why this middle school is different from every other middle school on the planet. It may have a special curriculum and it may be associated with a university, but I still don't think this article passes WP:SCHOOL. -- P.B. Pilhet / Talk 16:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

*Delete "I exist" does not establish notabiilty. Resolute 02:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Weak Keep per WMMartin. I'm not entirely convinced it is notable yet, but there now appears to be enough to justify giving it some extra time. Resolute 15:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete fails WP:SCHOOL -- Selmo (talk) 03:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Content can be easily replaced; doesn't assert notability. Xiner (talk, email) 04:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
    • I know who Salk is, and I did read the article before I cast the vote. I still don't think the article is notable per WP:SCHOOL. "Articles about schools that do not meet the above criteria may be unexpandable save for demographic data." This one fits the bill. Except for its connections, which are to be expected given Mayor Bloomberg's initiatives, there's nothing much more to say about the school. Sorry. Xiner (talk, email) 15:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • DeleteKeep Per comments made by Selmo and generally not-notable. - although ther article has been cleaned up a little it may now just meet the notability guidelines. TellyaddictEditor review! 15:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per all comments above ↔NMajdan•talk 20:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Well this is a first... Regular participants in AfD debates will know that I tend to feel that middle schools are generally non-notable. However... Has anyone else actually looked the school up on Google ? It's very easy to find the following information: the Salk School of Science runs a unique science curriculum in New York, and is "part of a collaboration between the New York University School of Medicine and the New York City Department of Education... Members of the medical and scientific community work with Salk teachers to create curriculum... Members of the NYU School of Medicine (NYUSM) and the NYU School of Dentistry teach and mentor students in grades 6 through 8 at the Salk School" ( from the school's website ). I have added this information to the article; it should be clear that I feel that the school is notable. I therefore, with great astonishment, find myself the first person in this debate to say Keep, though with the proviso that we should also Improve References. WMMartin 15:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep The article makes an explicit claim of notability in terms of its curriculum and coordination with the New York University School of Medicine. The fact that -- *sighs* -- this school is a middle school makes the affiliation with one of the countries most prestigious medical schools all the more notable. Alansohn 18:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per the rationale provided by Alansohn, there appear to be specific claims to notability here which would warrant inclusion of this article. (jarbarf) 19:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. This award winning school meets all proposed iterations of WP:SCHOOLS. Silensor 20:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Silensor. --Myles Long 20:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment This is going to be a Keep decision, so I won't be arguing about it, but I'll leave a final note. It's all well and good that a good institution has linked up with the school, but that institution doesn't focus on education, and even the best high schools are rarely linked with medical schools, so I think this is more hype than substance. I really don't think it passes any of the notability guidelines for schools, and at best deserves just a mention in an article about Bloomberg's initiatives. Xiner (talk, email) 20:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that's a fair point. My expectation ( not yet proven ) is that we can find enough independent references to support the claim to notability. I don't have a problem with revisiting this debate in a few months. I'm not a fan of school articles generally, but if the facts as presented in the article are true it seems to me that this is the sort of thing that would make the school notable. In the past I've advocated retention of an article about a similar school that had built a special relationship with the US Geological Survey ( or something like that, I don't remember all the details ), for much the same reasons. If every school did this sort of thing it would cease to be notable, but so far as I can tell this doesn't happen. In a sense, my view of notability for schools is tied up with how we might answer the question "Would a well-informed educationalist have a reason to refer to this school rather than any other when talking about his subject?". I think that for this school the answer to that question is "Yes". Please feel free to contact me if you would like to discuss this further. WMMartin 18:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep since a sufficient claim to notability has been presented. RFerreira 08:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep the rarity of the connection to the health institution is itself notable enough. Noroton 14:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.