Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saleha Zhowandai

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was actually somwhat ambiguous. Despite the clear vote count showing a lot of "deletes" vs. only two "keeps", things are not all that clear, because there are two different reasons given to delete.

1. Saleha Zhowandai is not notable.
2. The content establishing notability in the article is not verifiable.

There is no consensus that the subject is not notable, had the article been fully verified, so the issue of whether to delete or not boils down to one of verifiability. I have done a bit of searching for other sources about Saleha, and I have not found any other sources except Wikipedia and its mirrors either. Because of that, I am going to call this a delete, but if any other sources verigying the content can be provided, an undeletion request might be in order. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:25, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Saleha Zhowandai

Non-notable (vanity?) page on an unknown Afghan person. Hits several results on Google, but all of them come from Wikipedia and its mirrors. Delete. Shauri 19:03, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, per Shauri's research, unless getting a masters degree is considered sufficiently notable to appear in Wikipedia. Perhaps we should start WikiGrad, where everyone can post their grade point averages? paul klenk 19:29, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
• delete, the "first fulbright scholarship" appears to be a claim of notability, but I don't think that makes her notable enough. — brighterorange (talk) 19:37, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. She's from Afghanistan and she's a woman; her achievements take on a different significance. The objections are a little like saying: "why do we have an article on Rosa Parks? So she wouldn't give her seat up on a bus — I do that all the time..." --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:18, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

With all due respect, Mel, there are Afghan women in the post-Taliban era who have obtained much greater achievements, like being appointed at both public and private institutions and organizations. A person who has just graduated and has not made anything significant other than teaching at an university and publishing one paper is not notable enough to deserve an article, not even taking the circumstances that you mention into consideration. This is specially true when nobody on the web seem to have knowledge of her other than from WP. My two cents. - Shauri 20:31, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

• weak delete per Shauri. If there were any sources, or even where she teaches, or any stronger reason for noteability than graduation, then I would say keep, but right now we are speaking of keeping the only source, undocumented and unconfirmed, about this woman's achievements at all. I don't mean to disregard her accomplishment, but as an encyclopedia, *some* source/confirmation is necessary. --KillerChihuahua 20:44, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep, subject to verification. This is borderline, but given her circumstances that Mel pointed out she's worth keeping. Barely. — Phil Welch 20:46, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

kindof on-topic, I noted we don't have an article for Sakena Yacoobi who is surely more note-worthy. -KC

• Weak delete for both significance and verifiability. Barno 00:31, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per Shauri. The "first Fullbright scholarship for an Afghan woman" part actually says "first Fullbright scholarship in Economics for an Afghan woman" and that's just too weak to confer any notability. The first Fullbright scholarship overall for any Afghan woman might be encyclopedically notable, but this isn't. I don't want to see "first Fullbright scholarship in field xxxx for a woman from country yyyyy" articles for all fields xxxx and all countries yyyyy in wikipedia unless the subject meets WP:BIO standards for other reasons. Quale 21:27, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Her supposed achievement is great. But the lack of online source is very suspicious, especially since she has publication in the US and received a Fullbright scholarship. I may be wrong, but I suspect it is a hoax to test our credibility. --Vsion 09:32, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

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