Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saaphyri Windsor

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect to Flavor of Love Girls: Charm School. --Coredesat 04:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saaphyri Windsor

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"Actress" who was a contestant on a reality series--apparenty disqualified--and has appeared in a number of minor roles. Verifiability issues, as well. Unsure whether to delete or redirect to the article for the reality show. Sethacus 01:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Reality show "stars" have no notability nor need for encyclopedic entries on Wikipedia of their own. Redirect to show page is fine, but own page is questionable at best. Prefer delete, but redirect with short summary fine. - CelticGreen 01:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. She doesn't merit her own article. Cap'n Walker 18:34, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:N. STORMTRACKER 94 20:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect. I'll report the user with her username... Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry 00:15, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. IrishLass0128 19:37, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep She won the reality show Flavor_of_Love_Girls:_Charm_School on VH1. I'm not particularly happy about it, but Wikipedia precedent is that winners of their respective shows are notable enough for wikipages.Gamer83 20:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep SHe won her show, as previously stated, has had a few small acting parts, and is notable enough to be included. Keep it. Elefuntboy 21:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment Wikipedia "precedent"?? Do you have links to previous AfD arguments? I see nothing that references past precedent. Without reference there is no claim to past precedent. CelticGreen 03:42, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Keep, I'm sure what Gamer83 means, CelticGreen, is what I stated in another deletion debate, slightly related to this one: "We usually create topics on people who have won contests on a (usually very notable) show, as seen with America's Next Top Model, especially if the person is the first to win in the show's history, though the circumstances are probably different with America's Next Top Model...because they get a solid contract as a model. And that show comes on a channel that most people have." VH1 is cable television, as we all know, but the show on which she won had good ratings for cable television. Some reality television show stars are notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia. While Saaphyri is not as notable as some others, I'm not entirely convinced that she shouldn't have an article on Wikipedia. If she were the runner-up on the show or wasn't the first to win in this show's history (as I assume that this show will be back for a Part 2), then I would lean more towards delete. But for now, my thoughts are to keep this article. Flyer22 08:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• By that argument for this person I stand by Delete because I watch a LOT of television, and I mean A LOT, and I've never heard of this VH1 show. I have heard of Next Top Model, but not this. I'd still like to see a previous argument where the consensus was to keep.CelticGreen 12:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. If kept such a non-notable article should atleast be reduced in length. -RiverHockey 18:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. I don't see this article as being any less notable than Adrianne Curry when she won America's Next Top Model (the first winner in that show's history) and got her own article here at Wikipedia. Only difference now is that Adrianne has gotten notable work since her win. Who's to say that this woman won't do the same? Yes, Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball, but seeing as she did win this show, first winner at that, deleting her article now, when people may want to know about who this winner is and possibly not too long from now she is more notable, seems like a waste of time. And, CelticGreen, I must watch (a lot) more television than you, because I surely heard of this television show, as it was a spin-off of an even more highly popular show...Flavor of Love. Shows like this or A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila, when on VH1 or MTV, hardly ever go unnoticed by me. Perhaps you don't watch VH1 or MTV that often, because this show was all over VH1. I still stand by my decision to Keep this article, though it seems that it will be deleted. As for previous deletion debates where the argument was how the person is a winner or the first winner in the show's history, I don't have any links to provide to that, but I'm certain that you can find them on Wikipedia. In any case, just the list of articles on models from America's Next Top Model, as shown above, is hint enough at some kind of precedent concerning this matter...even with some of those models not even being as notable as this person. Flyer22 19:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment CelticGreen you cannot watch as much tv as you claim because this was a huge, wildly popular spinnoff of the Flavor of Love series, so don't be an ostrich. Secondly, here is a link that discusses the precedent of reality show winners better than I can here [1]. I question how much wikiing you have done if you have not yet run across this.Gamer83 04:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per precedent that reality show winners, as opposed to mere contestants, are notable. This precedent shouldn't be changed without wider discussion, especially when the nominating statement could mislead some people. --Groggy Dice T | C 02:15, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
• Nominator comment 1)There is NO precedent, nor is there policy dictating reality show winners automatically get articles. Dick Donato and Eddie McGee, another example, have articles because they have been written about in third party sources. The only 3rd party source in the article is an appearance on Tyra. One.

2)If she is notable, why did no one other than Ms. Windsor herself create the article and populate it with links to her myspace and IMDb? Wikipedia is not an advertising service or a legup in one's career. 3)Even people who worked on the article (see talk page) wonder why this is here and not a redirect. 4)There are no independent sources to establish a feasible bio. 90% of the article is a blow-by-blow description of the series. Strip that out and you're left with, essentially, self-referenced material, not good enough fora Wikibio. Now, have I made myself perfectly clear, Groggy Dice?--Sethacus 21:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

• Comment to everyone. I'd like to point out that a deletion debate just closed as Keep on this same rationale of precedent, as seen at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashlee Holland. I don't feel that every reality show contestant who wins the show that they were on needs to have their own article on Wikipedia, but in this deletion debate about Saaphyri Windsor, given everything that I've stated above on this matter, I state again that I feel that this article should be kept. Flyer22 21:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment That is a perfect link FLyer22. In fact, it looks like the same anti-reality tv people tried (and failed) to delete that article. There *IS* precent as can be clearly seen via Flyer22's link. It can also be seen that the same group of editors are running around trying to breach this precedent due to an apparent reality-tv winner pet peeve. If that you wish to challenge that precedent, start an appropriate discussion on that, but as policy stands, this artilce is a Keep.Gamer83 00:11, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete and Redirect to Flavor of Love. Not notable enough to have her own article. TGreenburgPR 02:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. Disagree that she's not notable enough to have her own article. The link above of precedent clearly shows that she is. And if she's not notable enough (someone who won the show in which she was on), then runner-ups of other shows who have their own article on Wikipedia surely are not. Flyer22 02:38, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

  Additional comment to this. I ask the closing administrator of this deletion debate to truly weigh this matter, which I know that the closing administrator of this deletion debate will. It is silly that one deletion debate should survive on precedent when another deletion debate of the same subject matter is deleted in the face of that precedent. To start having some articles survive due to this precedent and others ignored when such precedent is presented does not leave Wikipedia in any more stable an environment. Flyer22 02:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.