Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saad Sami Haddad

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Wash socks, then delete. --Luigi30 (Taλk) 14:19, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saad Sami Haddad

Saad Sami Haddad (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Delete fails WP:BIO TonyTheTiger 17:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete. No mention of notability, not even up to our usual "my college professor" rule of thumb. DMacks 18:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Do not Delete For an AUB student the Lee Observatory Pioneers are our predecessors and Mr HADDAD's

made a lot of research that we use as material in our courses until today. The Lee Observatory itself is the only Astro Dome of Lebanon. It is not stated in any of Wikipedia's articles. And so you choose to delete the only article that talks about Lebanese Astronomers. Instead of expanding Wikipedia you try to shrink it. I found dozens of articles that are unsignificant on Wikipedia yet they are kept. --George CHOUCAIR —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.224.136.107 (talk) 18:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletions. -- Pete.Hurd 23:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • delete Unfortunately, I have not found any articles written by him using the ADS (Astronomical Data System) or arXiv --or in Google Scholar, just in case. DGG 23:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank you all, however it is very sad, that you choose to judge and delete after an article has been published on wikipedia, this shows a certain weakness in this system. Allow me to explain:
    The administrators of wikipedia could have been more creative in a way that they would include all material that are subject to approval in a waiting zone prior to their publication. Once they are approved they should be published. It is quite discomforting in my particular case since the person being my own father, and he will find out that because he does not have internet evidence of his work well guess what you are not credible and all what you have done is to be considered as nothing and subject to deletion. In this case i think it will only humilate the person and his work.

So it is very nice from all of you to have followed this issue and no offence Go ahead and delete it. You have my approval Signed Walid HADDAD 01:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment: This deletion process isn't aimed at banning the subject from ever having an article, just that this article at this time isn't up to standards. When the subject becomes notable, we'd welcome an article about him at that time. DMacks 16:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Also, please read the "conflict of interest" guideline. Please do hang around and write objective articles about topics such as Lee Observatory. John Vandenberg 16:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


  • Dear all,

I Thank you to write and I appreciate your comments and trust that you will make wikipedia better.

I have added the links to Mr Kennedy and Mr Gingrich on my father's page. I have also deleted the link to his homepage not to appear as if i am making any attempt to sell his work through wikipedia.

My father being born in 1935 (which is not yesterday) most of his papers used until this day by scholars at the AMERICAN UNIVERSITY OF BEIRUT are not to be found on the internet. Actually most of the studies written or not by him are not to be found listed on any internet databse this was back in the 1950s where i beleive not even computers existed. So checking references on the internet for some facts is irrelevant. Internet is a product of the 1990s So anything before that has 90% chance not be available on this internet. Or is in the process to be inputed in a databse. This is why through wikipedia there is a chance of letting these historic facts come to light.

So once again if you feel there is no way that this article / bio is by the guidlines of wikipedia because there is no proof of it/he/she on the web please feel free to remove it. Knowing that his notability is valid only to a very tiny world for astronomers, scholars of astronomy astrophysicians of Lebanon, a country that will may be stop to exist one day. I just hoped that one day in the far future people would consult and find facts, about this person and know about astronomers and that particular period of time.

Thank you all for you concern, and time. Sincerly Walid HADDAD 21:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Delete until proper notability can be shown. thanks Fotografico 04:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

  • note I have also searched Web of Science back to 1900, the Catalogs of the Princeton and Harvard Libraries,

each noted for its astronomy collection, and Library of Congress. I haven't found the publications: & I suspect they were locally published--if so, I wouldn't rely on any of these. But it would take a knowledge of Arabic to go further, because I can not trust the transliterations or read the titles. My apologies. DGG 04:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Please Do not Delete Mr HADDAD is genuine, he is indeed notable in lebanon, FYI I found an article from him describing the Lee Observatory from the American University of Beirut. Here is the link:

Saad S. Haddad article The subject's name is Saad HADDAD (Sami) being his father's name, it is very common in the middle east to write one's name with the father's first name in the middle hence Saad Sami HADDAD, I also found the subject's website Saad HADDAD —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.224.136.107 (talk) 17:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

  • Keep. But only with a stub status. This gives the chance to the author of the article and other wikipedians to work on it. It doesn't look like a typical authobiographical article of people with a high ego. Mr.K. (talk) 19:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete for failing our WP:BIO criteria. This is not us saying your grandfather has no credibility, we are only saying he's not well-known enough in the world-wide community. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 02:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.