Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saabs in popular culture

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. krimpet⟲ 00:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saabs in popular culture

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This page lists every time a Saab appears in a movie, TV show or book, or is mentioned in a song. Indiscriminate. Fee Fi Foe Fum 05:11, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete Wikipedia is not a directory. While the page manages to partially avoid original research by citing some sources, I completely agree that it is indiscriminate and non-notable. I might also add that if H.R. Pufnstuf can take care of this in a couple of paragraphs and Fender strats don't even refer to their prevalance in pop culture, I see no reason why Saabs should enjoy the privilege. --jonny-mt(t)(c) 06:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as above, bearing in mind that Saabs are equally as well-represented in popular culture as almost any other kind of car. •97198 talk 06:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Notability and sourcing seems to be established for some of the entries. Outright deletion is therefore not appropriate. AFD is not cleanup. Colonel Warden 07:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
    • If I may probe your thoughts on this a little further, then, you feel that the article can be worked into something useful as it is? My impression was that the subject as a whole fails WP:N. --jonny-mt(t)(c) 08:19, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
      • The article history indicates that it was recently spun off from a main article about Saabs. Presumably that why it looks somewhat odd by itself. Despite the claim of consensus, I see that another car has such material in-line, e.g. VW Beetle in pop culture. My point is that the notable material should either be retained as the foundation of this separate article or the original spin-off reverted. Colonel Warden 11:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
        • The VW beetle in pop culture is in the VW Beetle article, and Beetles were important in popular culture. (Herbie). This Saabs articles is about glimpses of Saabs in movies. Fee Fi Foe Fum 02:35, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
can someone point to the policy that explains AFD is not cleanup. If an article has no merits worth cleaning up what are we going to do about it? Ridernyc 10:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete basically a trivia list and as in most cases if it can not be part of the prose of the main article it's not worth mentioning. Ridernyc 10:30, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. The article was indeed spun off from the main Saab one. Various WikiProject Automobiles members have been working to keep the many, lengthy, and often unreferenced and unencyclopædic lists of utter trivia relating to pop culture from taking over car articles. This section was particularly busy, so rather than just deleting it, it was spun into an article precisely in the hope that the wider community (here via AfD) would express their opinion on it (and therefore any deletion decision would have a wider mandate.) – Kieran T (talk) 11:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Query. So, if this is deleted as a separate article, will the good stuff be welcomed back - for example, that James Bond drove a Saab? I'd like to see this information retained somewhere rather than be lost in this shuffle. Colonel Warden 12:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Comment:There are examples of articles which manage to maintain a sensible and useful amount of pop-culture stuff. The test which was suggested and seemed to meet with general approval at the project I mentioned was this: was the popular culture entity important to the car (e.g. the film "The Italian Job" for the Mini), in which case include it; or was the car important to the entity — in which case the trivia belongs, if anywhere, in the article about the entity rather than the car. – Kieran T (talk) 12:09, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete "Films with footage of Saabs"??? Sheesh! Move to "Films with product placement" instead. JJL 13:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - for all the reasons similar lists for the Citroen, the Mini Cooper and the Ford Pinto were deleted. Presence of a car in a movie or TV show is not a theme of the movie or show and this is a directory of unassociated items. Otto4711 16:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as it is a referenced article (I helped clean-up reference format some before posting here) and satisfies List by being organized in a manner that is better than how a category would handle it. Articles of this nature help to demonstrate the influence and significance of a subject and as long as they remain coherent and sourced and editors continue to work to improve them, they are worth keeping. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 17:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. What isn't unsourced is sourced with non-reliable sources. Violates WP:OR, WP:V and WP:TRIVIA. Corvus cornix 18:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Indiscriminate information and a list of loosely associated films, books, trivia, etc. Crazysuit 00:30, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. This is just a trivial dumping ground for every Saab mention and appearance. RobJ1981 04:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per the above. The Saab is hardly a pop culture icon, and as such this list is unnecessary. Pablo Talk | Contributions 09:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.