Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SGGS on meat (second nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Problems with reliable sources, original research, and bias riddle this article. Based upon the content of the previous deletion discussion, as well as the dearth of input here, there exists consensus that this article should not exist. - brenneman ^{L} 06:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SGGS on meat

Previously kept by default at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SGGS on Meat, but a strong majority in favour of not having an article here (merge + delete advocates significanctly outnumber keep). Keep arguments included it is important to sikhs to learn about what their holy text tells them. It is important to convey this message to sikhs (sorry, no, Wikipedia exists to convey information to a general audience, not doctrine to a given faith). We have an article on Sikh diet, which is where what verifiably neutral information on this topic should go. We also have this article on the Shabads from Guru Granth Sahib (SGGB) on meat. Sikh diet is hard to understand, poorly formatted and so on, which does not help, and I am afraid I do not understand either article well enough to perform the merge. Those who do, evidently have no interest in doing so.

Above all, this article, "SGGS on meat", is both an apparent POV fork of Sikh diet, which says that meat is acceptable to some Sikhs, a position disputed by this article by reference to the Guru, and original research, a mixture of polemic and quotes from the original source, including in non-Western scripts referenced in each case to the primary source. Maybe there is a place for this on some sister project. Guy 15:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Guy, I am sorry but I disagee with you. What you say here is not correct. SGGS on meat as the name suggests is an article dealing with what the SGGS says about meat. As I am sure you know, SGGS is short for Sri Guru Granth Sahib which is the living Guru or spiritual teacher of the Sikh, who are the fifth largest organised religion in the world. ^[1]. Sikh diet is an article which is about what the Sikhs are allowed to eat or not eat and other dietary habits of the Sikhs. The articles do overlap but are concerned with separate and independent issue relating to Sikhism. This is no OR as it is an article based on quotes (facts) from the Sikh holy book as are the Parables of Jesus for Christanity, especially ones listed here and also Fables and Parables. Let's be fair and non-discriminatory in this matter. I believe that we need to revert to my last edit of this article - see my comments below. --Hari Singh 04:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

As a Sikh and interested party oin Sikhism I would have agree about deleting this, namely because the biased nature of the article. The meat issue is dealt elsewhere within the wiki and Sikhism, there is no need to include a specific one for SGGS and Meat. If this is to be allowed then current ammendments that are being undertaken by our memebers at sikh-history.com should be allowed. --Sikh-history 15:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

• Strong Keep This is an important issue for Sikhs and for others. To understand dietary habits of Sikhs (and of other religions) is of significance to life and the importance of diet cannot be denied. Diet plays an key role in the lives of all and it is a matter relating to an important religion of the world. Don't you think that the world would be interested to know about the dietary habits of the Sikhs? We have similar dietary articles for Christianty, Buddhism, etc. and so I think if this article is deleted then in fairness those others should also be deleted.
  The article has been vandalised by User:sikh-history who has a set agenda - See his contributions which all relate to only one-set-POV. He has since 23 September been changing various articles to his POV in relation to diet and Sikhism. He is not like a normal user adding to a range of articles in the best interest of Wikipedia. He is deliberately changing this article and others to result in the deletion of these articles from the database so that this matter is not brought to the attention of the world as this would suit his view.
  I suggest that the article is reverted to the version that I last edited. It would be unfair and discriminatory if articles similar to this one are kept while this one in particular is deleted. See previous lengthy discussion about this and the parables articles here. The article had been improved since it "avoided" deletion last time until User:sikh-history has starting to "tamper" with it and has been "dumping kilobytes of text from other sites" see discussion here with User:MER-C --Hari Singh 03:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.