Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SAYAKA

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The result of the debate was keep (no consensus). Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:49, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] SAYAKA

Promotional article, apparently about a would-be singer. The albums and singles referenced are unavailable from English-language sources and appear to be vanity published. There were also two articles for each individual single (why not have a seperate article for the "special edition" version?) that I have redirected here; these should be deleted as well. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 21:02, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

  1. Sayaka has no AllMusic entry.
  2. The sources are too difficult to access. For instance, a google search is virtually impossible due to the large number of irrelevant results.
  3. On a related note, White Parasol (one of the external links in the article) is not a website. In addition, the article refers to an alledged "J-pop star" who is a redlink. Doesn't make the article look serious. Punkmorten 21:46, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
  4. Amazon.com Sales Rank: #454,736 in Music. That means there's 454,735 artists more deservant of an article. Compare with number of Wikipedia articles (about 600000)
OK? Punkmorten 21:46, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
        • I am very troubled by this response. Are you saying that Japanese pop stars should be judged by their sales and coverage in the USA? Kappa 21:55, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
I believe that Punkmorten's point is that there is little evidence to suggest that Sayaka is a "star" of Japanese pop. Since there are no English-langauge sources that we can check, the article is not verifiable. Also, she does not appear to meet WP:MUSIC. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 22:00, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
  • The evidence on hand is that she's the daughter of Seiko Matsuda, she has various internationally-available record releases, and her first single was composed by a member of a notable band. This single apparently reached the top 100 (#5) and satisfies WP:MUSIC. Kappa 22:43, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Being a daughter of a notable musician is not in itself notable. Having your single composed by a notable musician is not in itself notable. As for the single's chart position, it's unverifiable. Verify it, and then we can talk about established notability. Punkmorten 11:44, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Was with Sony Entertainment. Fg2 11:57, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
The J-pop star is Matsuda Seiko, who is extremely well known in Japan, especially among the over-thirty crowd. Perhaps the single best known individual singer of a certain generation.Fg2 12:03, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
Could someone please create an article about her? Punkmorten 14:15, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Done. Please see Matsuda Seiko. Fg2 08:07, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, unless someone who can read Japanese comes along and says she is not notable. The bits and pieces I can understand suggest very strongly that she is a notable singer. Perhaps someone should leave a note on the JA talk page? -- Visviva 09:41, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep notable in Japan. --Tim Pope 17:12, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.