Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SALERO

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Arguments for deletion are sketchy, at best; WP:CORP does not apply as it's not an organization, it's a program, and claims of no sources are patently untrue (look at the article). Neil ム 08:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SALERO

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Apparently non-notable project. Fails WP:CORP and WP:N. — Coren ^(talk) 23:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

• Weak keep. Per WP:JNN, "simply stating that the subject of an article is not notable does not provide reasoning as to why the subject may not be notable". WP:CORP does not apply as SALERO is not a coporation or a non-profit org of any kind (it's a European Union program). The Ghits are mainly to participants at research organisations and professional associations such as IEEE. The program is relatively new so not a lot has been written about it yet. 715 Ghits in total and 39 hits in Google Scholar.[1] There is at least one scientific article about the program (W. Haas, G. Thallinger, P. Cano, C. Cullen, and T. Buerger: SALERO: Semantic Audiovisual Entertainment Reusable Objects. Proceedings of the first international conference on Semantics And digital Media Technology (SAMT), December 6-8, 2006, Athens, Greece.). Also the article was only created 10 hours ago so it's a bit premature to call for deletion. Dbromage [Talk] 00:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment; WP:CORP begins "whether an organization (commercial or otherwise) is a valid subject for a Wikipedia article", it applies. You might want to actually read the guideline, the second paragraph takes great pains to verbosely describe what falls under the guideline. — Coren ^(talk) 00:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment. SALERO is not an organization! It is not a company, charitable organization, educational institution, interest group, social club, partnership, proprietorship, religious denomination, sect, etc. It is a research program funded by the European Union. Dbromage [Talk] 00:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, no independent sources, fails WP:N generally. By the way, "not a lot has been written about it yet" is a long way of saying "non-notable". --Dhartung | Talk 00:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. I just cited an independent source above - a scientific paper about the program. "Not a lot" means news coverage, however there it has been written about in scientific journals. Dbromage [Talk] 00:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete A single citation in a published journal is not sufficient to make the program notable. The EU funds many such programs, as do governments all over the world. Many get mentioned by someone somewhere, but few are notable in their own right. MarkinBoston 18:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. There are about 30 articles listed in Category:FP6 Projects. For most of them the structure of the content and the information presented are similar to what is available for SALERO. None of them is marked for deletion, for some additional information - like references - is requested. Shouldn't the same principles be applied to all articles (this does not mean that the others should also be marked for deletion:)?
    NB1: SALERO is not a program but a project funded partially by one of the research funding programs of the EC.
    NB2: As I am coordinating the project my views are of course biased.
    -- GeorgThallinger 02:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Several of the Google Scholar sources are prominent ones, including the Modern Language Journal, Psicológica, and two sources published by the Cambridge University Press. So, there is evidence of notability from multiple sources. In addition, the only category-specific argument for non-notability (WP:DP) was based on a misunderstanding. The article can be improved through the sources found, and "if the page can be improved, this should be solved through regular editing, rather than deletion" (WP:DP). Valerius 03:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as fails notability criteria WP:CORP. Independent evidence of notability to come. --Gavin Collins 12:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. As has already been pointed out, WP:CORP does not apply as SALERO is not an entity. Dbromage [Talk] 00:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.