Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Johnson (war resister)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Perhaps just a note at List of Iraq War Resisters if you want. - Mailer Diablo 14:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ryan Johnson (war resister)

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Nom - unless someone believes that the event (desertion) for which this biography claims notability is exceedingly rare, this particular biography (of an Army Private) hardly seems notable. The fact that he got some press coverage isn't particularly notable, either. In short, what's the big deal? Rklawton 01:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete Do we have to list every person who left the country to avoid going to war? What makes him notable from the rest of them. Why only list 1 guy from this war, why not the ones from Korea, Vietnam, WWI/WWII? One guy fleeing the country to avoid being sent to war isn't notable. --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 01:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. I created the article, though it's not my area of expertise or main interest. Your comparison to other wars is appropriate, though perhaps the Iraq war could be considered on its own merits. It's my impression that the number of Iraq resisters is quite small, en:WP lists about a dozen. In addition, information on an ongoing war with ongoing (potential) enforcement against public resisters is surely more notable that closed private cases from the past. In addition, the press coverage does indicate some degree of current notability. (Question: Could the List of Iraq War Resisters contain bios that are still at the stub level and not deserving of their own article?) Before voting, I'd like to see what other considerations are involved. Thanks. HG 02:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Since when did deserters become 'resisters'? Soldiers go AWOL for various reasons all the time in every army, if soldiers who die fighting for their country aren't notable for the most part, why should guys who scuttle off to Canada be thought more worthy of inclusion? Nick mallory 07:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. War resister, eh? As stated above, desertions happen for a variety of reasons and a number of times and there is nothing to make this guy any more notable than the many others. Arkyan • (talk) 15:12, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - Not a resister. At the very least least contract violator, some would argue worse. In any case, the guy is not at all notable. Everybody gets 15' of fame, not all are notable. --Kimontalk 15:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to List of Iraq War Resisters, noteworthy as part of phenomenon but not really the subject of much coverage on his own. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 19:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment According to the San Francisco Chronicle and KXLY News, Johnson admits to being a deserter. Nevertheless, Johnson is also one of relatively few publicly active war resisters, having reportedly set up a IVAW chapter. I've put this info in the article. Since he is differentiated from other deserters, both in his resistance activity and news coverage, this would seem to buttress the Notability criterion.HG 19:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Agree with merge to List of Iraq War Resisters. His reasons for resisting the war are not the operative consideration here. Some people just don't like being shot at.Qworty 20:12, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable enough - yet. Realkyhick 20:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.