Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Allis

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete -R. fiend 15:26, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ryan Allis

Vanity type article. Just spam. CambridgeBayWeather 07:08, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete or re-write - just vanity as is. The curate's egg 07:16, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as nom - jmd 07:19, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Rebuttal/Request for Non-Deletion

Per the Wikipedia Deletion Policy of who can have a listing, "Published authors, editors, and photographers who have written books with an audience of 5,000 or more or in periodicals with a circulation of 5,000 or more"

I am a published author with an audience of over 5,000 and send out a monthly newsletter to over 13,000. I also intend to run for President of the U.S. in 2044. I have removed links to commercial sites and am happy to edit/re-write article, however required. I appreciate your consideration and hope to become part of the community.

  • Writing about yourself is a rather poor way to join. It's also going to set up a pretty strong presumption that you don't deserve an article, because if you did, why would you have to write it yourself? This is not a venue for self-promotion, which if your claims are to be believed, is something you obviously don't need Wikipedia for anyway. Postdlf 07:45, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Oh, and I almost forgot—writing and editing content about yourself makes it inherently suspect because of your natural bias and conflict of interest regarding objective description. Cheers. Postdlf 07:47, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Despite those concerns, I'm going to vote a weak keep because Mr. Allis's book is selling on Amazon, and one of the two websites has a respectable Alexa rating. I'll be watching the discussion to see if anyone can change my mind because I'm on the fence on this one. And everyone should be watching to make sure this article, if kept, is not just part of a PR campaign. Postdlf 07:52, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Allis's book is on Amazon.com, but anyone can use a vanity publisher and get their book listed for sale on Amazon.com. Who is it published by? A company called Virante Inc. Who are Virante Inc? Their founder and President & CEO are a certain Ryan Allis. The book does have 11 reviews (10 of which are glowing 5 star reviews) on Amazon. But again, do some research. Two of the reviews are identical. All but two of the reviewers have reviewed this book AND THIS BOOK ONLY. Which arouses my suspicions. Of the other two reviewers, one states that he knows the author personally (as do other "one-off" reviewers) and the other (the only reviewer I would trust, i.e. who does not know the author and has reviewed other books on Amazon) gives it the only non-5-star rating... a one-star rating. This all leads me to suspect over-hyping vanity, both on Amazon and here. Hence, delete (and add to watchlist to see if it gets kept and grows in vanity or gets deleted and relisted). CLW 08:36, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Postdlf, thank you for the feedback. I appreciate your 'weak keep' vote. I have read the full articles on deletion guidelines and vanity guidelines. I agree that the initial version of the article was vanity--I simply was unaware of the guidelines but can assure you I am now. I have registered as a user to remove any anonymity behind any edits. If the article is allowed to be kept I certainly promise not make any edits that encourage any commercial agenda.
  • Delete as per CLW. -- Kjkolb 10:28, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

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  • All right I've removed the text of the article, please feel free to delete. I will keep working to build my notoriety and hope to be deemed worthy one day. In the mean time, I will build a user profile and start contributing to the community in other areas. Thanks for the reviews and feedback. 66.255.35.66 19:33, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Note that this IP is different from the one that wrote the article. Someone else undid the blanking. I suggest we let this run its AFD course. - Mgm|(talk) 21:04, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Andrew pmk | Talk 23:06, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete per CLW's research. — ciphergoth 23:20, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, extreme vanity. And why do you want to wait till you're 60 years old before running for President? User:Zoe|(talk) 23:44, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.