Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russell Dennett

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. The Placebo Effect (talk) 16:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Russell Dennett

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Russell Dennett was not a full member of The Human League but was retained as a musician. This is the article’s only claim to notability. His time with the Human League was unremarkable and as he is no longer active at that level of the music industry this article will never be more than a stub. It appears from recent edit summaries that he personally does not wish to be on Wikipedia, nor be associated with The Human League. If this is genuine (and in good faith one assumes it is) the claim to notability is even thinner. This article was WP:CSD on creation. andi064 T . C 20:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment The article says that Russell Dennett played for the Human League from 1986 to 1996, though it also says that he did his own band starting in 1994. However, the Human League article doesn't place Dennett in the league until 1990 (perhaps there's some confusion with Jim Russell, who also played the synthesizer), and Human League's heyday was the 1980s. Assuming he didn't come on until after the "Don't You Want Me" and "(You're Only) Human" days, I agree that he doesn't seem notable. Mandsford (talk) 21:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nabla (talk) 23:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC) - Nabla (talk) 23:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-notable musician, fails WP:BIO (no evidence of substantial coverage in independent, reliable sources). I'm not sure why this was relisted; WP:NOT#BUREUCRACY, so why so require more input on the removal of material when an uncontested case has been made that it fails to meet wikipedia's inclusion criteria? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Comment I am reluctant to delete any article brought to AfD without discussion. Sure the nomination was not contested but it was not supported either. One nomination plus a comment that partially agrees are hardly a sample large enough to demonstrate any kind of consensus. It's not about bureucracy, it's about having at least a bit of discussion. - Nabla (talk) 02:16, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Clearly does meet the relevant policy Wikipedia:Notability (music):"The first release was on New Year's Eve 1994 and was the single "Tell Me When" which gave the band their first top 10 hit since 1986's "Human". The accompanying album, Octopus, returned the band to the UK top 10 and later achieved a Silver disc." HL article. Johnbod (talk) 01:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete: Session guys are anonymous for a reason: the people brought in to be on a record here or there have to meet notability on their own, and not on the basis of the bands they guest with. It's like a spouse, in that regard, and we have reasoned that spouses do not get articles unless they are independently notable. In other words, a mention in the article on The Human League is fine, but when we're talking about striking out a biography of a guest player, that player has to have achieved fame and comment on his or her own. In this case, the figure does not qualify. Utgard Loki (talk) 12:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
He is listed as a band member for 10 yrs at their article. Neither that, nor his article, reflects the nominators OR assertion that he was "not a full member". Johnbod (talk) 13:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - trivial coverage. PhilKnight (talk) 13:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete there's minimal RS coverage of him in connection with the band. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 15:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete for notability and verifiability concerns or, alternatively, Redirect. Redirect may be appropriate here. I'm not sure if he was a full member of the band or not. His AMG profile lists his sole credit on one 1994 album here, where he is listed as "programming". He has songwriting credit for a b-side (apparently co-written with two others.) I've scanned the 148 unique google hits on "Russell Dennett" & "Human League", and I can't find any WP:RS to verify that he was a band member for 10 years. Actually, I can't find any RS at all. Many mentions are Wikipedia mirrors or non-reliable sources that list him only as "additional personnel" (see, for example, this.) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.