Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roy St. Clair (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was give it a rest, please. This is the third afd in as many months. It, like its predecessors, found no consensus. Please step back for at least three months before trying to delete it again. Keep-voters: the onus is on you to improve the article. Mackensen (talk) 15:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Roy St. Clair

Non-notable collectable card game player. This article survived two AfDs as no consensus (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Roy_St._Clair and Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Roy St. Clair (2nd nomination)), but there still hasn't been anything additionally notable about the person added. One of the major proponents for keep the last couple times has also indicated to me that he has changed his mind and now believes St. Clair to be insufficiently notable. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 15:51, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. In fact, I'd probably be up for deleting pretty much any CCG player articles. Unlike, say, poker, CCGs aren't generally recognised as a mainstream competitive sport. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep; nor does there need to be anything new added. As long as these games have professional world championship loops, their major players are at least as notable under WP:BIO as any other player of a professional game, and right now any athlete who so much as plays a month for a single "A" club in Palookasville, Montana, is by-definition notable. That CCGs aren't a "mainstream competitive sport" is irrelevant (and POV); WP:BIO doesn't draw a distinction between "mainstream competitive sports" and any other sport. RGTraynor 17:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, in this case I agree with RGTraynor, CCG major competative players are as notable as any other competitive game players. Particularly in this case, you have a player who was fairly highly ranked but was banned for cheating. Within the realm of CCG I imagine this is probably the equivalent to a baseball player getting caught using steroids (OK, maybe not... the baseball player wouldn't get banned from the game). Regardless, WP:BIO could be construed to include notable competative game players under notable sportspeople (hey, if walking around swiping at a little white ball with metal stick is a sport, then cards are too).--Isotope23 18:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. A competition in one of many collectable card games doesn't compare to mainstream sports in any way. What is the relevance of notability within a community that is just barely notable as a whole ? Equendil Talk 06:52, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

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