Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rowan Cole

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page, if it exists; or after the end of this archived section. The result of the debate was Delete.

[edit] Rowan_Cole

Vanity page. Page history contains some more useful material, but still borderline non-notable. Firien 13:00, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• KEEP I totally disagree with the above. This page is an informative article on someone who has achieved much in Surrey Police. It's people like Rowan Cole who have helped their community achieve that deserve a page on this website, not merely those who are A-List celebrities. This page should not be deleted. remark by User:62.171.198.5
• Weak delete, notability not established, WP:VAIN. Radiant_>|< 14:05, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
• KEEP This page shows that many in the community have a lot of respect for Rowan Cole. He is a notable figure within his said community and to delete this page is to delete the work of the 'little man'. This is not a VANITY page but more one of what one person can achieve..(preceding unsigned comment by  Trust2005 15:56, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)).

previous attribution removed by 80.3.32.9 (talk · contribs), now reinstated. — P Ingerson (talk) 20:17, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Weak delete. He's 17, and seems likely to have a future career involving the police. If he does something larger, later in life, absolutely include him. For now, I don't think he meets our notability requirements. --Scimitar 16:41, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete born 1988? Getting a few awards and serving as a police cadet is not sufficient notability for a 17-year-old. Few Google hits, mostly for other peole with the same name.—Wahoofive (talk) 16:45, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• KEEP Actually with regards to the above comment when seraching through Yahoo and or Google you get quite a few hits. This chap has done great things for his community and at such a young age, it is amazing and this article should be kept. unsigned vote made by anonUser:80.3.32.9 --Scimitar 17:00, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • I agree that he has made valued contributions; but on the other hand, so have millions of other people. I've done and raised a huge lot for the communities I've been in, supported by bundles of sporting and musical achievement; but I don't feel it's encyclopedia material. By all means, it's User Page material, but the work he has done, while useful, doesn't yet reach beyond that home town. Every single cadet team was set up by someone. I feel the wording there is a little harsh, but it's the point I'm trying to make. Eventually, I'll set up my own user page properly with a bio of sorts, but it'll be a user page rather than an encyclopedia article. --Firien 17:06, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Vanity and/or non-notable. this news article was the only thing I could find on Google. His "achievement" is the equivalent of an Eagle Scout public service project. Good for him, but it's non-notable. PS Keep votes with IP addresses and no account ... don't count. Also, wikipedia is not a who's who of great people... otherwise we could list all our best friends and favorite uncles. MPS 17:05, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Also pointing out that the first two keep votes are from IPs who have provided the material for the page in question. --Firien 17:06, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• The site is meant to include information to help and advise people from all over, one does not have to have an OBE or Knighthood. Rowan Cole is a topic that has been researched and to delete this topic would deprive the hundreds on British Police Cadets whom wish to learn about the origins of its creation. Perhaps all that is needed is a rewording of the article!!!! In Britain history is very important and one of the things any cadet learns is their institutions history. Don't delete without thinking.unsigned comment made by anonUser:80.3.32.9. Sign your votes or comments with 4 ~ --Scimitar 17:00, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Yes, but if you're looking for the history of the British Police Cadets, you go looking under British Police Cadets. --Firien 17:26, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • You may not have known but each Cadet unit in the UK is created in a different way, so there needs to be seperate articles for seperate forces. User:80.3.32.9
      • So where are these articles, and why don't they link to or from the page in question? --Firien 23:00, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - vanity. CDC (talk) 19:04, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• This article presents a view of England today and what is achieved by British Police forces and the ability of modern democracy to prevail.unsigned comment from 80.3.32.9 (talk · contribs) — P Ingerson (talk) 20:17, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• KEEP This article should be kept because this scheme that was created was the first of its kind. This means that to delete it would be depriving people of knowledge which is true. If we were to delete this we should ask ourselves why a lot of other articles are on this site. This artilce is extremely relevant because it is a scheme which has benefitted the public by people who are of my age. Teenagers today do not have an excellent image. It is nice to see that young adults or teenagers are trying to eliminate the "yobbish" image which a majority of the public hold today thanks to the media. Well done Rowan for a smashing scheme. I would also like to remind you that Rowan had won a "High Sheriff Of Surrey Award" For his contribution. The "High Sheriff Of Surrey Award" is one of the most prestigous awards to be one. I leave you with this one question. How many other people do you know that hold an award like that? We must remember that Rowan's contribution to the public is nationally recognised. Therefore because of it must be recognised on Wikipedia. unsigned vote from 172.202.180.114 (talk · contribs) — P Ingerson (talk) 20:17, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Vanity and sockmagnet. — P Ingerson (talk) 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• delete kill th eocoskputppets. Dunc|☺ 20:27, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, vanity, non-notable. --Tothebarricades 20:29, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: Honestly, some of the above votes are a bit hyperbolic. "The ability of modern democracy to prevail?" If the new cadet model is so great and emulatable, why don't you write about it in a British Police Cadets article? You can tell us all about the differences between the different cadet programs, and communities *around the world* would benefit from your service to humanity. Maybe if you set a sufficient context regarding the cadet system, voters will realize how truly important and notable Mr. Rowan's actions were. MPS 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Firstly why dont we link this article to that and secondly one is not qualified to comment on other forces when one is only fimilar with Surrey. remark from 80.3.32.9 (talk · contribs)
    • Maybe if you were more familiar with Surrey you would realize that it has "one of the lowest crime rates in the country" [1] and so the job of the police cadets there isn't that hard. Also, what the *heck* is a scheme? The article mentins it like fifty times. MPS 21:23, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • How dare you make that arrogant comment, perhaps it is because the Police and others working so hard that crime is low. You arrogant . ... remove that comment at once, you obviously have no idea what your talking about. As for the article it should stay. remark from 80.3.32.9 (talk · contribs)
      • Yeah... no offense to MPS but that was a tad demeaning. But as to 80.3.32.9, please note WP:Importance item 5. I don't think that person has enough reach as of yet to qualify for his own article. Frankly, most 17 year-olds, never mind everyone else, haven't really had enough time to establish notability worthy of an Encyclopedia article. The awards listed also seem kind of generic in the sense that a lot of people have similar awards and there is nothing really to distinguish this person from the rest of society in general. There are a lot of unsung heroes out there that save cats from trees or volunteer their time to the community but that doesn't qualify an article for them. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 03:06, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
        • You are saying I overstated the truth? You are saying I took a fact that is technically true and tacked on superfluous conclusions about its meaning and significance? I guess you are right that it should be removed... He who has ears let him hear. MPS 13:28, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Comment A quick skim through the history file shows that there are a set of IPs (172.202.180.114, User:80.3.32.9, User:62.171.198.5) and one registered user (Trust2005) which are providing 'all' the keep votes. Their contribution history shows that other than the first, all have been involved in editing the Rowan_Cole article, and the first itself has only made contributions to this votes page as of time of posting. While the "High Sheriff of Surrey Award" sounds impressive, and does justify the question as above "how many other people do you know that hold an award like that?" it still begs the question of what the award actually means? I can happily claim that I have Sterling Achievement Awards in the Field of Excellence, but by not providing any further information on any such award it becomes a shell. I would be happy to see a British Police Cadets article, especially if it contained information on how to set up something similar, or gave something more informative about the Cadets rather than what we see at the moment; if the item is notable or significantly informative, then that provides a base for relevant information about Rowan Cole. However before that article has substance the Rowan Cole article remains a vanity page.

• Unless I am mistaken, an anonymous comment. --Simon Cursitor 13:03, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Eek, a threat! I'm so scared! The police will come and get me! ...Delete, take it to a group that cares - like the local newspaper. humblefool® 23:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete I've never heard of him. Hiding 23:41, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete not notable and definitely delete once they sockpuppet. Surrey would be ashamed as would the police cadets. Obvious next sentence omitted. -Splash 02:25, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as seems there seems not to be enough importance to this person and/or his actions to justify a Wikipedia article. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions 03:06, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete non notable cadet. JamesBurns 06:13, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete - possibly commendable person but also one of the many, not notable as of yet at the very least. Behaviour and hyberpole of "supporters" just worsens the image of the person concerned and is rather suspicious - Skysmith 08:03, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• KEEP - You cannot delete this page. This page has only been on Wikipedia for a few months, and it would stupid to delete it already. The whole point of Wikipedia should be to have as much infomation as possible. In addition, Rowan Cole has done great deals for the community in Surrey and his Cadet Force has set an example for others across the UK. He has also recieved far more awards than most people do in their lifetime, and he deserves to be recognised. Wikipedia is not 'Who's Who', it is not meant to list only the rich, famous and those with MBEs after their names!! Deleting Rowan Cole's article would be like deleting the work of the little man!! acswanman
• Note - The IP address which often features on this page is from a public computer. This means that it is more than one person who is adding comments, not the same person each time!
• Delete - and adding info about him to as many other Wikipedia pages as possible, as at least one person seems to be doing, is not a good way to establish notability. OpenToppedBus - Talk 11:13, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
• Comment the sockpuppets continue to add nnanity to Hazel Blears in an attempt to give the Rowan Cole page some links-from. Reversion wars are boring.
• Delete vanity. As an aside I note that the IP who has been adding this to Hazel Blears has also vandalised my userpage a couple of times today. Morwen - Talk 13:21, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete vanity. Qwghlm 14:35, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Vanity. He's got plenty of time to do something encyclopedia-notable yet. Oh, and also take a close look at Surrey Police Community Support Cadets and Surrey Police Community Support Students, both of which seem to have been created in order to support the existence of this vanity page. -- The Anome 15:09, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
• Morwen is being so hypocritical. She accuses Rowan Cole's page of vanity, look at her userpage. Does anyway care if she is a LibDem (poor her) or if she is an atheist. If she wants people to know that create her own website, no one on Wikipedia really cares. And she should get a life instead of deleting articles and parts of articles, shouldn't you be at work???

• There is, of course, a big difference between a User page and an article. --OpenToppedBus - Talk 15:07, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

• That's missing the point. Morwen accuses Rowan Cole of vainity, pot calling kettle black in my eyes. I have a feeling Morwen, OpenToppedBus and many others are just jealous they haven't done anything to warrant an article!!!!

• Delete. Vanity. He's got plenty of time to do something encyclopedia-notable yet. Oh, and also take a close look at Surrey Police Community Support Cadets and Surrey Police Community Support Students, both of which seem to have been created in order to support the existence of this vanity page. -- The Anome 15:09, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
• I began a sockpuppetry dossier at User:212.85.12.211. MPS 15:20, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC).
  • A 'sockpuppetry dossier'!!! Why don't you listen to yourself!!!!!
• Note that many unsigned notes above are work of User:Acswanman. If he is connected to blanking of Morwen's user page (and he at least defends the act) that constitutes vandalism. Anyone blocked him yet? Those who have created a full userpage do not claim to be notable. And if I met this Rowan Cole right now, I would be very suspicious of him or at least mention these events - his "friends" do not exactly improve his image with these acts. Policeman's "friends" disrupting wikipedia? - Skysmith 16:53, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • In this edit, [2], User:Acswanman goes as far as to delete a vote! Morwen - Talk 08:19, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. WP:VAIN. Hall Monitor 22:48, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Merge with Surrey Police Community Support Students (which is being voted for deletion as we speak, see Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Surrey_Police_Community_Support_Students). Rowan is not yet notable outside this project, which has a history and a future outside of him (though the article as it stands doesn't really reflect this). Doing one cool (or in this case, sketchy) project doesn't make notability. Bubamara 29 June 2005 10:06 (UTC)
  • Excuse me, make that a "merge relevant info into British Police Cadets". Bubamara 29 June 2005 10:15 (UTC)
• After due consideration and a discussion with Rowan Cole, he has asked me to delete the page as he felt it made him feel uncomfortable and he also felt the page was premature. He also has asked me to pass on messages of thanks to those who voted to keep the page and to send also send his regards to those who did not. (unsigned comment by 80.3.32.9)

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