Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Round Rock High School

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The result was Keep The school itself has been written about in a few newspapers which would satisfy the main notability criterion. --Polaron | Talk 04:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Round Rock High School

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Just a high school with no evidence of notability. Lots of unsourced hype, no progress toward verifiability even. Dicklyon 06:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep. --It seems no less notable than the other high schools in Round Rock ISD (especially Unnamed High School 5!). Unless your goal is to nuke all of them (and I hope it isn't), this one should stay. --Ye Olde Luke 06:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
question. Unnamed #5 doesn't have an article. So your argument is that the RRHS article should stay, because some other article does not exist? -- Mikeblas 11:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - I'm of the opinion that high schools are generally notable, except perhaps very new ones. This one appears to have opened in 1867, was a segregated school that was integrated in 1966, and, in 1999, was the largest high school in Central Texas with 3,600 students.[1]. I'm pretty confident that a little digging would reveal some notable alumni, as well. --Hyperbole 06:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. The article does not establish its notability.-- Mikeblas 11:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep — Satisfies my personal criteria for H.S. notability. — RJH (talk) 16:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Nice to know, but you are supposed to use actual guidelines and policies. TJ Spyke 03:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per precedent. By my rough count - 39 high schools have been nominated since August. 36 have been Keep/No Consensus. One had serious POV issues and was merged to the school district page. One was essentially unsalvageable and was redirected to the city. The entire article for the third consisted of "East High School is the school where the films High School Musical and High School Musical 2 were shot" and was redirected to the school district. A lot of people get mad when WP:OUTCOMES is brought up...but...it seems to be true...I'm working on more in depth fact finding here. Smashville 18:34, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • And I bet each of those three exceptions could have been kept if more people had gotten involved with the discussions and looked for sources. Zagalejo^^^ 20:21, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Agreed, and kudos on your efforts to add some of the ample additional material out there. These success rates are for articles deemed the most unnotable, and we're still well into the 90s for retention, many times higher than the rate for all other AfDs. And East High School was a fictional school. Alansohn 05:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nomination, nothing to say what makes this school notable are any way different than the thousands and thousands of other high schools in existance. TJ Spyke 03:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep The article makes claims of notability for the school's accomplishments and alumni, with many more sources available above and beyond the sources already provided. Based on these reliable and verifiable sources, notability is established. I will be willing to revisit my vote if additional material is added to the article. Alansohn 04:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Plenty of newspaper coverage. A very small sample:
  • Steven Kraytak and Melissa Ludwig. "Cheerleader claims bias in tryouts - In lawsuit, she says Round Rock mandate of minority representation among judges is unconstitutional". Austin American Statesman. 19 August 2005.
  • Bob Banta. "Crowded campuses in Round Rock - Trustees to consider bond election; Students, teachers say ever-growing enrollments are straining high schools" Austin American Statesman. 11 November 2004.
  • Polly Ross Hughes. "Cardinal rule -- School's ban on red, aimed at gangs, raises other issues". Fort Worth Star-Telegram. 23 October 1993.
  • "Cheerleader uniforms cause confusion in Round Rock - School principals interpret classroom dress-code rule differently". The Dallas Morning News. 1 May 1996.
  • "Book ban attempt halted". Houston Chronicle. 17 November 1994.
Alumni from the school include baseball players John Danks and Ryan Langerhans[2], as well as the cast of the reality show "High School Reunion" [3]. Zagalejo^^^ 04:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Are those events notable? School districts across the country have bond referendums, dress codes, and cheerleader drama. If John Danks eats at a particular cafe every Sunday morning, is that restaurant now notable, too? -- Mikeblas 17:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
They're full-length articles about the school from multiple papers (some of which are published a good distance away from the school). That's generally enough to satisfy notability guidelines. Of course, this is just a small sample of the 400+ "Lead/First Paragraph" hits I found at Newsbank, and those hits only go back to the late 1980s. Zagalejo^^^ 17:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - A search reveals there to be reliable and independent sources (such as newspaper coverage) available unique to the school to make a encyclopedic entry on the topic. The article currently does seem to pass WP:N, if not it has potential to do so. Camaron1 | Chris 18:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep meets WP:N and WP:ORG reliable, independent sourcing, which is our standard for notability.Noroton 05:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - high school+awards+notable alumni=keep; straightforward, really. TerriersFan 23:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete completely unnotable schoolcruft, with lots of unnotable coverage to boot, making a veritable exuberance of unnotability. Eusebeus 18:45, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Alums' success has no connection with school in article which means, to me, no connection in notability. Awards are not impressive either. Lots of original resource presumably (or just unsourced). Epthorn 19:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - incorrect; firstly WP:N is met by multiple sources which this page has; next notable alums are significant both because people interested in the alum are likely to be interested in the high school they went to; also high schools help to develop alums. TerriersFan 19:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
It seems unlikely to me that the sources for the assistant principle award the baseball championship would count as "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Do they say much about the school? Enough to serve as evidence of notability? If so, maybe they can be used as sources for some actual stuff about the school. Let us know. Dicklyon 19:56, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.