Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rose Torossian

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Davewild (talk) 22:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rose Torossian

AfDs for this article:
Articles for deletion/Rose Torossian
Rose Torossian (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)


Token Liberal candidate in a very safe Labor seat. Dlw22 (talk) 16:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete. Political candidates are not necessarily notable just for being a candidate. --UsaSatsui (talk) 16:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. As above, and these articles are in proliferation just at the moment. Completely non-notable. Frickeg (talk) 07:40, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Do NOT Delete.This is Rose Torossian. I am happy to provide further evidence to support my biographical information so that it may remain on wikipedia. Wikipedia states that a politician is the following:

"...people who seek those positions, whether by means of election, coup d'état, appointment, electoral fraud, conquest, right of inheritance (see also: divine right) or other means." Wikipedia.

I seeked the position of a politician by means of an election.

Bold textConsidered a politicianBold text
"A person who is active in party politics.

Any person influencing group opinions in his or her favor can be termed a politician. For example, a worker participating in office politics is a politician, but only so far as the operations of his or her workplace are concerned." Wikipedia

I am currently active in party politics and I influenced a group of opinions in my favour when I was a Liberal Candidate for Fowler. Rose Torossian 11:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment Hi Rose. I've shifted your comment down the page to reflect the order of the comments made here. I simply point out that being involved in politics and being a political candidate doesn't make a person sufficiently notable. I refer you to WP:BIO:
  • Politicians:
    • Politicians who have held international, national or statewide/provincewide office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislature.
    • Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.
    • Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such a person may be notable for other reasons besides their political careers alone.

Dlw22 (talk) 15:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment There's no doubt she's a politician, but politicians aren't necessarily notable. I would also like to point out that, should she win the election or become notable in some other way (hopefully not through election fraud), the article can be recreated. It's not "now or never". --UsaSatsui (talk) 17:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Mattinbgn\talk 00:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - for notability reasons and specifically the section of WP:BIO cited above. The article subject has asserted notability but there is not sufficient here to meet the guideline. Being an unsuccessful election candidate is not of itself enough to justify a Wikipedia article. Nor is claiming to have received the the least worst swing against her at the election, which is grasping at straws as well as being demonstrably false (for example, the Liberal candidates for the nearby seats of Reid, Bennelong, Grayndler and Macquarie all had smaller swings agaisnt them than Torossian). Euryalus (talk) 02:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as above. Also, unverified claims ('Rose had campaigned very hard'?) make the article seem POV. Auroranorth (!) 11:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete I suggest that any very recent sources which come to light are really about an event rather than a person. As such there is nothing here which meets WP:N or WP:BLP or WP:BIO. Statements like She also received the best result in all of western sydney (here I was thinking, being elected would be the best possible result for a politician) don't seem very NPOV so if the article is kept it needs to be stripped back to a stub mentioning all the current sources.Garrie 23:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Do Not Delete The fact that I'm getting this much attention is a demonstration of how my candidacy in the Federal Election has made me renowned! Rose Torossian 12:00 11 December 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 10:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
    • ...I think this is the first time someone has tried to use their AFD discussion as evidence of notability. --UsaSatsui (talk) 16:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.