Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rory Conroy

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This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. Postdlf 23:20, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rory Conroy

(UTC not-notable and article is obvious nonesense. Notjim 00:05, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Plenty of assertions of notability. None actually verifiable, though. Delete. Tonywalton  | Talk 00:19, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Non-notable. Amren (talk) 01:36, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete nn and non-sense. --rob 02:02, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
  • BJAODN; I love that anyone would take that long to write an article about themselves. ♥purplefeltangel (talk) ♥ (Contributions) 03:36, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Keira Knightley loves ME. TheMadBaron 04:01, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. – AxSkov (☏) 07:02, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Move. Make it a user page if its a real user. mrholybrain 11:22, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • Don't delete I saw this man during my visit to Ireland. He was in a play that we saw at the Abbey theatre. Very good too. I don't understand why you want to delete the page, I thought he was well known in Ireland?. janedickson 09:21, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
    • I can't find any evidence via Google that an actor by this name exists.---CH (talk) 07:03, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
      • That's because in Ireland he uses his name in Irish: 'Ruaidhri' Conroy. If you check the Internet Movie Database @ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0175860/ you can see his profile. You shouldn't be so quick to condemn people because they have unusual lives. janedickson
    • Janedickson's only edits are to this AfD discussion.[1] Postdlf 18:36, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep He must be real. I had to use his book during the presintation of my thesis. It was exactly as described. I can't vouch for the other information though. Jestermax 22:42, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
    • What book, Jester? I can't find any books by a Rory Conroy in my unis' library or on Amazon. And I can't find any eprints by Rory Conroy on the arXiv, which would be very strange if this alleged person was ever a promising young physicist.---CH (talk) 07:03, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
      • Apologies CH, I was refering to the book containing his paper on sexuality in ancient Ireland. This was published in 'New agendas in Irish prehistory : papers in commemoration of Liz Anderson / edited by Angela Desmond ... [et al.] in 2000. I don't know about his physics background ---jestermax 15:03, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Jestermax's only edits are to this AfD discussion.[2] Postdlf 18:36, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete unless verified. Google (etc.) research indicates that there appears to be a minor Irish actor with this name, but there's absolutely no verification of any of the other material, which appears fanciful and hoaxish. Needs sourcing. MCB 22:33, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete It's either a hoax or it's Rory Conroy's personal delusions writ small. | Keithlaw 22:41, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Amend I don't know who wrote this, but his 'associations' with Keira Knightly amounted to them both attending a charity function in Co Down a few months ago. Rory Conroy is a real person who WAS a physicist, but it seems like a fan may have gotten a bit over enthusiastic. Since I have the interview with him in Physics' Today, I would recommend amending the text rather than deleting. | ShaolinvsNinja 23:45, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
    • ShaolinvsNinja, can you provide a link to the alleged Physics Today article? I read that, but might have missed this particular article.---CH (talk) 07:03, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Shaolinvsninja's first two edits.[3] Postdlf 18:43, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete unless someone can provide hard evidence that some of the claims made are both verifiable and true, in which case I'll change my vote---CH (talk) 07:03, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Why delete an accurate account of one of Ireland's great unsung heroes? Mr. Conroy is an influence to everyone in Ireland and is adored by thousands---CH (talk) 11:30, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment by neither CH nor Colossus, but 13.8.125.11, who also voted as "Ninja420" below.[4] Postdlf 18:58, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Amend I saw him on Irish TV last night (11 Sept 05)FFS! I cant understand the whole "its not on the internet so it must not be true" attitute of some people. What did you do before the internet??I cant remeber the physics stuff, but i never did care much for him as an actor, personally i think he stinks!NippyChippy
    • User's only edit.[5] Postdlf 18:43, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete Nonsense. Even if the Rory Conroy is Ruaidhri Conroy (which is suspect; see picture of Ruaidhri Conroy here), the additional accolades aren’t true. The "International Astro and Theoretical Physics Consortium" doesn't exist, nor does the album The Transformed Man 2. Whoever's putting up all this stuff is infecting other articles with the nonsense, too: e.g., having [Johnny Cash] collaborate on an album after Cash's death. (Also notable is that the pages of Cash, [Trent Reznor], and [Woody Allen] reference Conroy's supposed band, "Centipede on the Roof" even though that name is not mentioned in the main article— it's obviously being made up as it goes). Rynne 18:20, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Amend His life seems really incredible if it's true. I would be cautious however in deleting this. The article does say he's not well known outside of Ireland, so his album may not be on general release. Consortiums can also be small groups rather than large international ones. I am also concerned that where as the Johnny Cash article may be confused with the dates, this article does not give mention of these so cannot be held at fault. way2busy
    • User's only edit.[6] Postdlf 18:43, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Incredible if true. Luckily for AfD purposes, anything that's notable doesn't seem to be true, so it's an easy delete (despite the best efforts of our amend-happy friends). Lord Bob 19:33, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Rory Conroy is a well-known figure within Ireland. Amongst many other things he IS the singer with Centipede On The Roof, a popular band in Ireland. He has featured in many magazines, radio and television programmes to say the least.---Ninja420 (talk) 15:30, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
    • No such user; comment actually by 13.8.125.11.[7] Postdlf 18:46, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
    • A Google search on "centipede on the roof" returned no documents, and there is no entry in allmusic.com for Rory Conroy, Ruaidhri Conroy, or Centipede on the Roof. If this band is so obscure that it doesn't appear anywhere on the Internet at all, I don't think the article meets the standard for inclusion. | Keithlaw 01:33, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
      • Centipede on the Roof are a reality. Ask anyone from Ireland who has their finger on the pulse. Granted they're not U2, but their level of fame is rising and will be big news one day. | Bad Tan 01:33, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
        • "Bad Tan" is another sockpuppet from 13.8.125.11 (also known as Ninja420, ShaolinvsNinja, and the fake CH) - see [8] | Keithlaw 21:27, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Ruaidhri has starred in enough successful Irish films and theatre productions that he can easily be considered for raising the bar for Irish acting standards, thus warranting a decent entry here.---Dr_Faulk (talk) 16:04, 13 September 2005 (UTC):
    • User's only edit.[9] Postdlf 18:53, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep This is a real actor, just because he is not american he is not worthy of a mention?? My advice, my american friends is to get a passport and look at the world, rather than viewing it through the internet ---Seamus 19:01 13 Septermber 2005
      • No such user as "Seamus"; comment actually by 82.6.182.159.[10] Postdlf 18:50, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
    • I've never in my life seen so many sockpuppets come out for something so insignificant. It's never once happened in all my days. I mean, you'd think we'd AfD'd Scientology or something the way the reaction is. It's kinda scary. Lord Bob 18:07, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
      • Having to resort to personal insults shows the weakness in your argument and the gaps in your knowledge Lord Bob ---Seamus 22:28 13 Septermber 2005
        • Seamus, in your earlier post, you accused everyone who voted Delete of ethnocentrism. Isn't that a "personal insult?" This AfD started because the bulk of the content in the article is patent nonsense. Can you give us a response to that argument, rather than attacking Lord Bob or throwing around baseless accusations of bias? | Keithlaw 22:50, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
          • Thank you, Keithlaw, for saying about what I'd say so I don't have to. Well, except for this reply that says 'thank you'. But it doesn't count. Lord Bob 00:15, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
            • There truth does hurt Keithlaw, if you are insulted by the truth, I cant help you. I have seen the films he is in, have you.....? ---Seamus 08:19 14 Septermber 2005
              • Name them. Tonywalton  | Talk 15:35, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
              • "Into the west" and "The Van" ---Seamus 20:1414 Septermber 2005
                • Both of which are credited as Ruaidhri Conroy (his IMDB page), whose existence is universally accepted and for whom we still have no evidence is this Rory Conroy to whom the article refers. And there's certainly no evidence of any kind that he was a great young physicist or a rare martial arts master (and I've looked) as the article claims. It's been three days, and you sockpuppets have made a billion edits trying to keep this thing, and your evidence does not exist. For the sake of argument, I present now a list of questionable aspects of this article. This list is by no means exhaustive. Feel free to prove me wrong on any or all of them.
                1. "Rory Conroy", as an actor by that name, is not known to exist. As a physicist or Irish historian, he has no articles or textbooks in university libraries that a number of Wikipedians, including myself, have been able to find. As a martial arts master, his achievements cannot be verified.
                2. The claims that Rory Conroy are Ruaidhri Conroy cannot be handily verified.
                3. If Rory Conroy is Ruaidhri Conroy, it is unusual that this fact was not mentioned on the page until after the Articles for Deletion notice went up. Surely the name he was credited under would at least be worth a mention in a fairly comprehensive article written by what must be a very knowledgeable fan!
                4. He is mentioned as playing key roles in the Irish dramas "Fair City" and "Batchelor's [sic] Walk". IMDB lists "Fair City" as an Irish television series beginning in 1988. No Conroy, Rory or Ruaidhri, is credited. IMDB does not list a "Batchelor's Walk", however, "Bachelor's Walk" is listed as an Irish television series that ran from 2001 to 2003. No Conroy, Rory or Ruaidhri, is credited.
                5. Mr. Conroy is listed as a recipient of the "Best Young European Physicist of the Year" award. No such award is mentioned on Google. The awarding body is the European Science Foundation, which has no reference to a "Conroy" on its website.
                6. Mr. Conroy is not listed as a recipient of the 1998 Theatre World Award for his role in Martin McDonagh's "The Cripple of Inishmaan", despite the fact that Ruaidhri Conroy did win this award. Another glaring omission in what is otherwise a fairly comprehensive article.
                7. Pictures of Ruaidhri Conroy available online (such as this one and this one) show a non-glasses-wearer with dark hair who doesn't look a thing like the picture in the article. The picture in the article does not appear online in a Google image search for "Ruaidhri Conroy", nor for "Rory Conroy".
                8. This page is supported by an unusually large number of sockpuppet votes, which, while not an indication of the article by itself, is worth considering on top of the other evidence, listed in part above.
                Yours very sincerely and respectfully, Lord Bob 20:31, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
                  • You were doing so well Lord Bob until your last point, insulting people by calling them socket puppets demeans all your other points, the source of the pictures has hard to verify, people can wear glasses and dye hair for roles etc. I think that you are confused by the use of irish names, my name "Seamus" which is Irish for James, we in ireland live in a multi lingual society I can (and do) use both names, perhaps this should be editted and the name chaned from Rory to "Ruaidhri". To the other users I'm sorry that I havent eddited other posts, I'm new to the community, but were we not all new once?? Respectfully ---Seamus 20:14 Septermber 2005
                    • If Ruaidhri is Irish for Rory (which, to my very considerable surprise, it actually seems to be!), then why why why wasn't his actual freakin' name mentioned in the article?!? He's credited under Ruaidhri everywhere. He appears as "Rory Conroy" nowhere. Two of the credits in the article, if IMDB is to be believed, are absolute lies. His academic background seems to be total fiction. The stuff on martial arts seems to be dubious at best. There are important omissions and facts that are false in the pre-AfD'd article (and in the present version). Heck, for all I know the author of the article also happens to be named "Rory Conroy" and is doing his damndest to pass himself off as the more famous Ruaidhri. You say that my referring to sockpuppets when a bunch of first-time users and anonymous IPs unanimously vote to keep an article demeans my other points. I could have called you anything I want but it wouldn't change the reality that my points are real, unassailled facts that could be disproved very easily if the article were actually true. A reference on the ESF's website to Conroy's award. Known and documented pseudonyms that he also performs and writes under, so as to explain the discrepancies in the claimed and his actual credits. Something on his martial arts work, or his album. Proof of his involvement with Sigur Ros during their December 2004 Irish concert stop, despite the fact that their official page claims they neither toured in December 2004 nor appeared in Ireland all of that year. If you could actually verify all of those things, my argument would collapse utterly. But you can't. That's why you haven't, despite repeated calls from different editors to do so. That's why the only way you can try and win this AfD is by flooding the ballot box, rather than by actually convincing us of your point of view. I don't care if you think it cheapens my argument: this vote is supported by sockpuppets, barring you actually revealing solid evidence this vote will be to delete, and this hoax of an article will die. And I will be a little happier because it did. Lord Bob 21:23, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
                • Ok Lord bob, we will have to leave it at that, i have never said anything other than I know he is an actor, i'm not that well informed on his musical career etc, I do know he is an actor, thats all. I cant answer for the person who worte the article in its past or present form because I dont know who did it. I came across this by accident (email actually) however i havent been spamming this site, as my ip address will show. Keep Safe ---Seamus 23:01 14 September 2005
                  • That's alright, then. I didn't mean to imply that you were one of the sockpuppets or one of the article's major editors, the evidence doesn't seem to bear that out. And I'm certainly not going to argue that Ruaidhri is Irish for Rory, and that Ruaidhri Conroy is an actor, which seems to be your main bone of contention despite my addressing other arguments in a thread with you. I took out my anger at the sockpuppets on you, and though I stand by my points above, I didn't mean to cause any offense to you (although I wouldn't mind offending the sockpuppets a bit. Lord Bob 22:12, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
                • Ruaidhri Conroy is a real actor; you can find him on IMDB and google. However, no one has given any proof that Ruaidhri Conroy is in fact the same person as Rory Conroy—I haven’t seen information that would indicate that Ruaidhri has gone by the name "Rory." Rynne 16:05, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Rory is really famous in Ireland. He has appeared on a lot of t.v. shows on Irish television. His face is known to all. His band are less well known in Ireland, but that's not his profession. He was on a late-night talk show recently and told the incredible story of his life. As a fluent Irish speaker, Rory and Ruaidhri are interchangeable, and although while it's true that he prefers to go by Ruaidhri, he is also know as Rory, especially by non native speakers.---Hector5 (talk) 17:06, 14 September 2005 (UTC):
    • More assertions without facts. And yet another user with no contribution history. Until someone demonstrates that 1) Rory Conroy is Ruaidhri Conroy and 2) that even half of the stuff in this article is valid, I still say Delete. | Keithlaw 16:49, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
    • [11] Read the full review for user of the name Rory ---Seamus 20:14 Septermber 2005
      • That’s not true that he has no contribution history, Keithlaw. If you check the contributions of 13.8.125.11 (aka Hector5 and some other posters on this page), it seems that he’s contributed a good deal of Wikipedia’s current information on Rory Conroy and Centipede on the Roof. It certainly looks like he's playing a joke to me and creating sockpuppets to back himself up. So I'll reiterate my delete vote, too. Rynne 17:40, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • I have been trying to find any information on him. He does appear to be credited as Rory Conroy for 'Into the West' at this site: http://www.filmaffinity.com/en/film144297.html It also seems that a Liu Zhen Juan has been known to come to Ireland: http://www.ucd.ie/shaolin/newsletters/2003/Septb2003.html Still, nothing conclusive though. I can say however that A Rory Conroy did write an article on sexuality in eary Ireland. I have given the book details above. Hope this helps.Jestermax 20:31, September 14, 2005
    • I did some searching, and I can’t find any reference to New Agendas in Irish Prehistory containing any papers by an Ruaidhri/Rory Conroy (e.g., here and here), nor does a google search of the paper's title, "Man, Father, Priest and Martyr" bring up any hits. That seems suprisingly non-notable for a paper that's alledgely "[l]auded in History circles as the "definitive" work on the subject." Rynne 18:23, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete nn. And worra lorra sock puppetry! CLW 18:12, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete hoax or vanity, or some bastard hybrid thereof. And the flurry of sockpuppet support doesn't help the case either. Postdlf 19:02, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, and block 13.8.125.11 for vote fraud! -- BD2412 talk 19:06, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure what to do with this, but we appear to have a full-fledged vandalism problem on our hands. The user at 13.8.125.11 behind all these sockpuppets is inserting references to Rory Conroy and his fictional band all over the site: Eva Longoria, Elisha Cuthbert, and about ten other pages so far. Rynne seems to have cleaned most of them up, and I got those last two. I suggest that a Wikipedia sysop slap a block on that IP address. | Keithlaw 20:55, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. The vandalism, the attempts by the anon to vote multiple times, and the creation of all of these new users to vote keep on a person whose very existence cannot be verified leads to only one conclusion -- hoas. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:36, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as hoax. Friday (talk) 15:49, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. It appears this article is made up from false facts.--Kaonashi 02:33, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Rory Conroy's life is bizarre and reads like a fictional tale to anyone outside Ireland, but folks it's all true. Just because Google etc. haven't verified these points it doesn't nullify them. Keep as is. Cat With Goggles 16:58, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
    • No such user; comment actually first edit by 159.134.77.51.[12] Postdlf 16:12, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
  • So... what happens now? Are we just waiting for an administrator to rule on this? Should I go over to the curb and flag one down? | Keithlaw 22:13, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
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