Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Romney Lyle Pearce
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete. Closure mostly per WP:V, although WP:N concerns were mentioned as well. So article can potentially be recreated with reliable new sources. ~ trialsanderrors 03:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Romney Lyle Pearce
Contested prod, removed because they thought they were notable enough to keep. I disagree, I don't think the claims to notability are strong enough. Was a member of several NN bands and was a POW. There were tons of POW's during WWII, being one alone does not make you notable enough for Wikipedia. I don't really see any claims that would have him pass WP:MUSIC. VegaDark 08:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your clarification, VegaDark, but I still have to respectfully disagree. I think Pearce's story (and perhaps your own) show a slice of life people of my generation (and beyond) may not see otherwise. JABPP 10:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, sadly. None of this is referenced in the way Wikipedia NEEDS things to be referenced; to reliable, unrelated secondary sources. The only reference given is a book written by the subject's son, which concerns me as there could be a conflict of interest - a loyal son may be less than forthcoming about negative character traits, and may see his father as more notable than he was. Unfortunately, since that's the only reference given, there's no way to check on it. If the writer of this article could locate and provide references to Romney Lyle Pearce written by unrelated third parties (Portland newspaper archives, for instance, or the published writings of local historians) and write the article based on those sources, it would be acceptable. Just because something is true doesn't mean it should be in Wikipedia: it has to be supported by reliable, unrelated secondary sources. --Charlene 10:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Weak delete unless verifiable, reliable sources and evidence of notability are provided by the end of the AfD process. Do not prevent re-creation, in case reliable sources are found later. Unfortunately, the present article simply isn't appropriate for an encyclopedia, and the lack of on-line documentation for that era makes it unlikely that the article can be fixed without some moderately serious research. It will do us no harm to live without the article until (if) someone is able and willing to do that research. Xtifr tälk 11:46, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete I'm a Portlander in college, so I have access to several relevant databases. Two of the databases cover newspapers: one archives The Oregonian (Oregon's largest newspaper) and the other archives headlines in a large variety of Oregon newspapers. Neither came up with a hit for "Romney Pearce" or "Romney Lyle Pearce." They only go back to 1988 (five years after he died), but I would think that there would be at least one mention of a sufficiently prominent musician. A search through Cascade, an interlibrary loan system for universities and colleges in the Pacific Northwest, came up with no results for "Autobiography of a Father." The same with the Clackamas County and Multnomah County library catalogs. If VegaDark, an Oregon State University student himself, has never heard of him, I doubt he was very famous there either. As much as I like Oregonians, I can't see how he is notable enough for inclusion. - Pingveno 12:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment the references to his supposed notability as a musician date back more to the thirties (which presumably would not show up in your search). On the other hand, your inability to find any reference to the book supposedly used as the sole source for all of this is far more troubling, and even raises the possibility that we're dealing with a hoax here. Xtifr tälk 03:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails WP:BIO in that it does not cite any sources. --Nehwyn 13:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:BIO and WP:OR meshach 17:09, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
