Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rolling Hills Middle School

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to Pajaro Valley Unified School District. Black Kite 07:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rolling Hills Middle School

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Completely unsourced, unverified two sentence stub without any external links. Does not assert notability. May not even exist.NewAtThis (talk) 04:51, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Speedy Delete Way too short. Also not notable.--RyRy5 talk 04:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete, per aboveNewAtThis (talk) 05:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • comment The school does exist as a simple search would show. There are currently problems with WP:SCHOOL. Insofar as notability, there is neither a clear indication or assertion. If encyclopedic content can be satisfied, it should be merged into its relevant school district or municipality per these criteria in 'Failure to establish notability'. --- Taroaldo (talk) 05:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep Length of an article is not a reason for deletion, a call for improvement is not the purpose of an AfD. - Dravecky (talk) 08:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 12:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 12:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete I think most of the listings in the category should be deleted. It is not notable that a school exists. AlbinoFerret (talk) 12:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete The current standard on Wikipedia is that middle schools and elementary schools are not inherently notable, meaning that you have to demonstrate that there is coverage about the school from secondary sources. This doesn't appear to be a class project on learning Wikipedia, and the two sentences in and of themselves don't show anything significant. Although, as Dravecky says, length of an article may not be a reason for deletion, subjects that aren't inherently notable can't get by with just a stub. Merge/Redirect to new article created by Terriers Fan about the school district. Mandsford (talk) 13:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. We don't appear to have an article on the Pajaro Valley Unified School District, to which this school belongs. If anyone wants to create an "Education" section in Watsonville, California, schools like this one and Watsonville High School can be listed there; but I see no reason for substubs like this to hang around. Deor (talk) 13:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Changing opinion to redirect now that article on the district has been created and everything significant in this article merged there.Deor (talk) 17:04, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

*Delete At this point I must suggest deletion. I am concerned about WP:RS and also the veracity of the article itself. I appreciate that the school district's page has been created, but on Rolling Hills Middle School's web page it notes that the principal is Rick Ito. In Rolling Hills Middle School's page it lists two other individuals as senior administrators. These names do not appear anywhere as senior administrators of any kind (that I could see) on the school's official page. This leads to a concern that, though the school is real, the page was created as a hoax. (Note also that the RHMS page creator has had no other contributions to Wikipedia.) I remain open to additional information. --- Taroaldo (talk) 18:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Merge and redirect TerriersFan, you're right of course. I am pouring myself a second cup of morning coffee now, as I ovbiously haven't had enough yet. Thanks. --- Taroaldo (talk) 18:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - this has been fixed on the merged page. Whatever the intention of the page's creator a redirect is valid and deletion would serve no purpose. TerriersFan (talk) 18:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep as schools are inherently notable (I can't see how a middle school would be any different in that regard than a high school). Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 20:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I motion to close and redirectNewAtThis (talk) 00:16, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
After one day, and with a wide variety of opinions? Let this play out. - Dravecky (talk) 04:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete and include in the district article. Middle schools are not inherently notable. They are different from established high schools, because high schools almost always have notable alumni, athletic or academic victories of some sort, news articles talking about the construction or expansion--all documentable. Middle schools there are many fewer such competitions, its usually not to identify notable alumni, and not even local papers pay them much attention. If of course something can be actually found for one then it is notable, but experience here shows that is rarely the case. This one is a good example: directory information only.DGG (talk) 14:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Redirect as above. CRGreathouse (t | c) 15:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment note that nominator User:NewAtThis is an indef-banned sockpuppet who has made a large number of disruptive AfD nominations. Jfire (talk) 01:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
    • In that case we should speedy close. We cannot allow noms made by a disruptive sockpuppet result in delete; it would send a bad message to those who engage in such activities. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Aw, dry up, Pumpkin King. See my comment at [1]. Deor (talk) 03:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
If the nomination was intended to be disruptive, we should not humor the sock account by proceeding, especially in a no consensus case like this one anyway. Also, you may want to read Wikipedia:Civility. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 03:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Nothing to merge. Maybe just redirect? Vegaswikian (talk) 02:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
    • If we do redirect, then there's no reason to delete as well, as we might as well keep everyone's public contribution history intact. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 03:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
In case you haven't noticed, a redirect preserves the article's history at the redirect page. Deor (talk) 03:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, if it's a redirect without deletion. Sometimes the article is deleted first and then redirected without preserving the edit history. In thie case, though, if it is redirected, I don't believe the article should be deleted first. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 03:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge this one line article into its district article. AnteaterZot (talk) 04:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.