Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rocky Mountain Pizza

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was speedied by Ingoolemo as an attack. Ingoolemo talk 19:24, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rocky Mountain Pizza

non-encyclopedic advertisement

  • Delete - non-encyclopedic advertisement JoJan 19:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello, it seems you are intent on deleting this article because:

1. It is nothing but an attack on the subject ( {db-attack} )
2. It is a 'non-encyclopedic advertisement'

I am left confused as to how it can be both. It is merely a profile of a very popular pub across the street from a very popular institute. As my colleague Dr. Fusia put it:

"Patented nonesense my ass. That's perfectly relevant, and if anybody uses wikipedia, it's the GT crowd.

Snobby wikipedia bastards."

Please reconsider your decision.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. - Mailer Diablo 21:12, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rocky Mountain Pizza

(Relisted following repost)
No, this is not speediable as it isn't an attack page; the PoV stuff about the "cold and lazy servers" only makes it look like one. It's not encyclopædic, though - this is a NN pizza restaurant with one branch according to its own website. It's an advert for a pizzza shop which doesn't meet WP:CORP. WP:ISNOT a "where-to-buy-pizza-in-Atlanta" guide Tonywalton  | Talk 19:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. Non-notable spam. Try WikiDirectory instead. (that one came back to life fast) --StuffOfInterest 19:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. I'm sure there's a WP:NOT here, like WP:ISNOT a yellow pages directory or something.  RasputinAXP  talk contribs 19:39, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
WP:ISNOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_propaganda_machine 3 - Advertising, perhaps? Tonywalton  | Talk
Oh, I just noticed they've kindly supplied the phone number.As WP:ISNOT#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information 3- Travel Guides puts it: An article on Paris should mention landmarks such as the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre, but not the telephone number or street address of your favorite hotel. Is that enough NOTs? I wonder if they deliver. To London, England. Tonywalton  | Talk
  • Delete. Not notable. -- timc | Talk 19:47, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Don't Delete. I think this has now progressed from nonsense to attack to advertisement to non-notable to acceptable.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.236.221.6 (talk • contribs) who appears to have written the article originally. Please a) sign your comments with ~~~~ and b) state if you have a vested interest, as you appear to. Thanks. Tonywalton  | Talk
  • Comment After an incredible barrage of trigger-happy speedy deletes, the article seems to have stabilized. I think it is a poor reflection on us that the contributor's pleas for time to expand the article were ignored. I have attempted to bring the article up to standards. After researching the building's history, I have not found any great notability. This article is certainly not the least notable on Wikipedia, but its deletion wouldn't be a great loss either. If the result is keep, I'll add a photo. -SCEhardT 20:45, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Agreed, which is why I nominated it for AfD discussion. This doesn't mneet speedy criteria and never did. Unfortunately even following rework I can't see it meets inclusion criteria (and wouldn't as the pizza shop, whatever the building's history (though the building might have). Tonywalton  | Talk 20:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Agreed on all points. Upon further thought and research I vote Delete due to lack of notability. -SCEhardT 21:57, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete It was already speedily deleted once before today. The same user put it back. Harvestdancer 20:49, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Actually, as I look at the history, it was deleted TWICE today. Perhaps it's time for some IP work by an admin. Harvestdancer 20:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
It does not meet WP:CSD criteria, and replacement of a speedied article is not a criterion for speedy deletion (unlike reposting of an article deleted according to VfD consensus, which does). Tonywalton  | Talk 20:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


  • Comment Well, this was an interesting second Wikipedia experiment. You might want to delete my original posting too, it is pretty non-notable:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteria_Del_Figo

Anyways, I suggest you make an adjustment to your site policy. In 'Criteria for speedy deletion', it states :

"Note that some Wikipedians create articles in multiple saves. Avoid deleting a page too soon after its initial creation, as the author may be working on it."

Since it was obviously the speedy deletion chain of events, and not the non-notability that got this article deleted ( as evidenced by the existance of the Figo article ), perhaps you can further quantify your standards for speedy deletion. For example, replace "too soon" with "within 2 hours".

~~~~Original Poster

  • Comment Also, where can I find the policy on "Non-Notable". I didn't see it on WP:NOT.

~~~~Original Poster


  • Comment I don't know, I am starting to think I am in the right here. From WP:ISNOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_propaganda_machine

"Articles about companies and products are fine if they are written in an objective and unbiased style."

Also, the following sentence:

"Furthermore, all article topics must be third-party verifiable, so articles about very small "garage" companies are not likely to be acceptable."

The thrird party in this case was the administrator who helped contributing information to the page.

~~~~Original Poster

  • Speedy delete as recreation of previously deleted content. We shouldn't have to debate the same delete result multiple times on AFD - the proper place for this discussion is WP:VFU. ESkog | Talk 18:54, 1 December 2005 (UTC)


  • CommentA speedy delete isn't appropriate in this case. Only repostings of AFD'd comment is eligible for speedy deletion. A reposted speedy deleted article is alright. Which is good because my article was deleted before it even started!

~~~~Original Poster

  • Keep - Historically relevant as it stands on the spot where Avery Chastain once lived. Should keep all historically relevant pages. Zordrac 01:29, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment that might merit a footnote in an Avery Chastain article, if one existed. The pizza place is not notable in itself, any more than Joe's Newsstand would be notable in itself just because it happened to be situated in Grand Central Station. Tonywalton  | Talk 15:45, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep I'd like to see the page expanded a little bit, perhaps some more information on its history. The page does show historically relevance though, and therefore should stay.Ognit Ice 01:40, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:48, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete of course. Izehar 15:40, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete per Tonywalton. Stifle 22:48, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.