Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rocket Arena

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Bobet 16:54, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rocket Arena

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Article gives no indication of satisfiying WP:SOFTWARE, WP:V or WP:RS Whispering^(talk/c) 04:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Due to the sources put in the article I'm retracting my nomination. Whispering^(talk/c) 12:40, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Apparently it's a review of this free map, no effort whatsoever made to pass WP:SOFT. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:09, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

  I'm convinced by Hahnchen. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. As above. Spam for freeware is still spam. Robert A.West (Talk) 07:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
• Transwiki if a gaming wiki wants it, else delete. Wikipedia is not a game guide. MER-C 08:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep this is a notable modification(If you talk Deathmatch, and the subject of Rocket Arena doesn't come up, the conversation is incomplete) of a game series that is itself notable, not a game guide or advertisement. It'd be one thing if the mod was only made for one game in the series, then I'd say pack it into that article. But Rocket arena is available for all of the Quake series, and there are equivalents in other games, like HL and UT. FrozenPurpleCube 15:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Eusebeus 15:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, although the article could use some cleanup to make it more encyclopedic. This mod certainly is a long-standing modification for many FPS games. With regard to the issues raised: 1) if it lacks sources, source it; 2) verfiability is hardly an issue since there is only one source (so see number 1 again) and 3) the software criteria are only guidelines (which I believe are met for this mod). I see no case for deletion here other than the highly arbitrary call to gamecruft. See also: [1] Rocket / Clan Arena is released on Sept 25th, 1997 and quickly becomes the 2nd most popular Quake mod and is still popular today. Only CTF is played more than RA. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 16:04, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

• Let me explain: this certainly is a long-standing, often played, well-known modification. I never play Quake or Unreal, but I have heard of this mod many times. There are even references to a magazine in the article (and this has been covered in many magazines). Therefore, more should be added, I agree, but that is NO reason for deletion. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 08:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Very few game mods are notable. This is one that is. —Wrathchild ^(talk) 16:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - According to Reinoutr, "verfiability is hardly an issue since there is only one source". Only one source? Last I heard, Wikipedia articles needed from non-primary sources. Fails WP:V/WP:RS. Wickethewok 18:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Not if there's no dissension about anything. See also the WP:Auto section. Besides, there are plenty of other magazine articles on Rocket Arena. FrozenPurpleCube 22:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - I'm not sure why there's a sockpuppet banner on the top of this nomination, I don't see any invasion, but let's keep in mind that this is a discussion, not a vote when you read my incredibly awesome discussion. Rocket Arena is not a review of a fan-map, it's a deathmatch game concept which has been around since Quake and so popular that versions of it are available for current games. Even though I have never played Rocket Arena, I can tell you exactly what it entails. Just a quick Google gives some links of note, some news items at PCZone [2][3], some random inline mentions in Gamespot [4][5]. I also have a half-page print review in PC Zone of the UT version of the mod and a full page review of the Quake 3 version of the mod. This discussion craps over your votes. - Hahnchen 01:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - Note that there is an old AFD at Talk:Rocket Arena, although whether that is of revelence now is questionable. - Hahnchen 01:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Hahnchen says it best. The Kinslayer 11:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Since the nominator has withdrawn the nomination shouldn't this discussion be closed? —Wrathchild ^(talk) 16:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. As per Hahnchen. Visor 18:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as a very notable game mode. Especially considering the nomination is withdrawn. Themindset 23:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.