Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rock Concert Instruction Manual

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge. IronGargoyle 22:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rock Concert Instruction Manual

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Delete - there do not appear to be independent reliable sources attesting to the notability of the subject. Content does not appear to be verifiable. Otto4711 15:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

  • delete - I agree with Otto. Smells a bit hoaxful. May change my opinion if it can be sourced during this AfD. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 16:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - a quick Google turns up this page on the official website, which appears to be a copy of a Cincinnati Post review. Unfortunately, it only confirms some of the article contents. - makomk 17:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
    • This review in the Peoria Journal Star provides more information. Whether either of these actually counts as reliable, I'm not sure. - makomk 17:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Reviews that mention the manual in passing as part of the larger review would IMHO constitute trivial mentions. Otto4711 19:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Edited my previous comment. Okay, so the concept of it exists; but is it an actual "manual", or is it just a concept that is used during a performance? If a "Rock Concert Instruction Manual" is only a concept that is referred to in passing durig Blue Man's performance, then it is still not notable unless someone has written about it in detail, or even until it's been published. Otherwise, this article is essentially on a make-believe topic. As an analogy: if Bart Simpson was reciting these rules during an episode of The Simpsons, I'd want to delete the article; but if there actually was a Simpsons book published telling all about this, I'd be in favour of keep. Right now, I'm still up for delete. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 16:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nabla 17:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Relisting because only two opinions stated (including the nominator's) is a bit short. Plus the AfD tag was removed from the article on the 26th, so this AfD really did had much less than the expected exposure. - Nabla 17:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete or merge if true. Abeg92contribs 17:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep or merge - This info is a big part of BMG's touring shows, and as people are introduced to the shows/music/items, finding the real list here is very beneficial. If it is not worthy of its own page, merge the info into the main Blue Man Group page as part of their themes and ideas. There is nothing better than finding interesting information right here on Wikipedia. --Mtjaws 01:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge intro at most with Blue Man Group. This isn't notable on its own. --Dhartung | Talk 09:57, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge and Comment: I attended a BMG show in New York two years ago, and on a recent trip back to NYC, was able to recognize another group of people who had recently seen the show because they were talking about the one-armed fist pump on the subway (see entry). So, it has clearly been an enduring, and notable feature of the show, as noted by Mtjaws above. One possibility might be to merge the paragraph format information at the beginning into the main article, and then change the list of various rock-star acts into a list, in the same spirit as the List of The Simpsons chalkboard gags (following on the theme above). That way the main list-y content is preserved, as a list, and the body is integrated into the BMG article. Edhubbard 12:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • For the information to be retained in any form in any article there have to be reliable sources for it. There have yet to be any such sources offered. Otto4711 00:42, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Lack of sources is not a valid criterion for deletion. However, a lack of notability is, and that was what you asked for in the initial deletion nom. I did a search for some references, and while it is possible to verify the content, in doing this search, I have become less convinced that the list-y parts are notable enough to deserve an entry of their own. I am copying the results of my google search here, so that other people can see them and evaluate them:
http://www.miketoohey.com/bluemangroup/index.html This is a fansite which refers to the Rock Concert Instruction Manual, including a number of pictures of the moves, a listing of the standard ones in the shows.
http://www.pollstar.com/news/viewhotstar.pl?Artist=BLUMAN This review talks about the “Rock Concert Instructional Manual” and how it is integral to the show.
http://www.blueman.com/newspress/tour.php?id=76_0_7_0_C This review mention’s the “Rock Concert Instruction Manual” by name, and some of the elements in the manual as part of the Blue Man Group show. Note that this comes from The Columbus Dispatch, but is reproduced on the BMG official website.
http://mostlymodernmusic.blogspot.com/2007/03/concert-review-blue-man-group.html This from a blogger who seems to have found the current version of the wikipedia entry well done.
http://video.aol.com/video-search/Blue-Man-Group-Rock-Concert-Movement-1-and-2/id/1698345001 Here is a video that someone took from the show (probably not licensed, and not wiki-appropriate) showing the first two moves from the “Rock Concert Instruction Manual” and how they fit into the show.
Given this, my vote is to Merge the text into the main BMG article, and Delete the list. Edhubbard 11:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge with Blue Man Group. A closer tie with BMG is needed. STrRedWolf 13:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge with Blue Man Group. Aside from my own personal knowledge of the show, and that this "manual" is indeed part of their recent tour schtick, it's not notable enough to sustain an article by itself. It would make a nice edition (with sources, like several of the ones above) to its parent article. María (habla conmigo) 13:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.