Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robots in Futurama

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete; note that two editors did not specifically say in bold print to delete, but did say to delete, with valid rationale for it. So if you do a count to comparre to the determination of rough concensus, please take that into consideration. JERRY talk contribs 22:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC) edit conflict... last comment left after close.

[edit] Robots in Futurama

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This article asserts no notability through reliable sourcing, and as such is a synthesis of plot elements taken from the various Futurama episodes articles. As such, this is pure duplication and should be deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

  • There is no reason for a redirect (see WP:REDIR). This article isn't old enough that there would be many backlinks to redirect, and nobody's going to say "I need to find out about robots in Futurama" and not type in "Futurama" (or get it with a standard search instead of a redirect on this term). --Cheeser1 (talk) 07:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong keep - This is part of the Futurama article and is only broken out due to WP:SIZE. Insisting that the article be taken in absolute isolation without the sources and notability provided by the main Futurama article is ridiculous and totally counterproductive. Torc2 (talk) 22:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Neutral based on List of recurring robot characters from Futurama. I think some primary-sourced background on the function of robots in the series is appropriate, but I'm not sure it needs to be separate from the other articles in the topic. Torc2 (talk) 23:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Notability is not inherited, so looking at the article in isolation from the main Futurama article is exactly what we need to do, and every article needs to meet wikipedia criteria. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Reply to Torc2 - Assuming there are sources for such information I think it would likely serve wikipedia better as an introductory section to the "List of..." page. Explaining robots roles in general followed by the key robots of the series would make for a more meaningful article. If such a section got too long (with sourced content as opposed to what's here now) then we could revisit the idea of splitting it. As such I'd support deleting this in favor of a redirect to the List of page. Stardust8212 02:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I'd agree with that. Torc2 (talk) 02:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete. While size IS a good reason to split something into its own article, there's no encyclopedic content here: It's all original research. It's observations and musings by fans, otherwise known as fancruft. Bender already has his own article, and the robots have List of recurring robot characters from Futurama. The difference is that this article isn't a character list, it's an original essay pushing its own interpretation of the show (WP:SYNTH) — TheBilly(Talk) 22:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. The article should be viewed in perspective. As an element of Futurama, it may not be noteworthy, but as a vision of Robotics, in a show were robots are heavily represented, it is notable. For illustration, robots in Star Wars, Star Treck, Superman, Mega Man and several others have their own articles. But if it must be merged, I agree that it should be with th recurring robot characters list, and not the Futurama article. F-451 (talk) 01:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Pointing at essays is not an argument, and neither of those is really an effective counterargument here either: F-451 isn't arguing that this is notable simply because Futurama is notable, and arguing based on precedence and consistency isn't the same as saying that we should keep this because there are articles in worse shape. Torc2 (talk) 08:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
  • F-451 hasn't presented a case for keeping the article. There is no "precedent" that supersedes WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:OR, all of which scream "delete" in this case. Hence WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - it doesn't matter, maybe those "precedents" are well sourced, maybe they need ot be deleted. And it simply isn't noteworthy, not even as "a vision of Robotics, in a show were [sic] robots are heavily represented." That still hinges on the notability of Futurama (instead of the existence of real-world relevance/sources). Hence WP:NOTINHERITED. --Cheeser1 (talk) 09:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Ah, see, now you've actually made arguments based on policy rather than just regurgitating essay shortcuts. WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:OR I can understand, which is why I switched my vote to Neutral. WP:OTHERSTUFF is bad logic from a sketchy essay, and is irrelevant to these points; you're better off just arguing based on the policies. The WP:NOTINHERITED argument doesn't work for me. That section of the essay is very wishy-washy about its own strengths, and this article seems to fall under the 'article-subarticle' example rather than the 'manufacturer-product' or 'member-organization' examples, which makes it acceptable to note the notability of the main article in considering the notabilty for the subarticle. Torc2 (talk) 10:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
  • You do understand that the point of essay shortcuts is that I shouldn't have to repeat what the essays say back to you, eh? --Cheeser1 (talk) 18:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
  • You have actually read the essays themselves enough to know just reciting shortcuts isn't an effective argument? WP:AADD: "Naturally, citing this essay just by one of its many shortcuts (e.g. WP:ILIKEIT or WP:IDONTLIKEIT), without further explanation, is similarly ill advised, for the reasons explained above." And remember, Wikipedia:Don't overuse shortcuts to policy and guidelines to win your argument. Torc2 (talk) 02:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Yes, and when it isn't obvious, I provide an explanation. Apparently, it wasn't obvious, and when your comment contradicted my belief that it was obvious, I provided an explanation. --Cheeser1 (talk) 02:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
  • keep There are a variety of articles that are just on this topic from reliable sources. The first one I could find is [1]. (unfortunately behind a paywall). But this article judging from the free first few paragraphs and the title is all about robots in futurama and the cultural critiques that are meant by them. And I strongly suspect there are more such articles. This is thus ripe for its own topic. JoshuaZ (talk) 03:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge with List of recurring robot characters from Futurama. Could be merged either way. The Evil Spartan (talk) 21:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

---edit conflict--- The comment below was added after the admin closing edit was started.

  • Merge per The Evil Spartan. Tavix (talk) 22:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.