Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robin T. Cotton

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Robin T. Cotton

While the article claims he is "world-renowned," I don't see anything that makes this guy any more worthy of an encyclopedia article than the average ENT specialist. I'd say it's vanity, but it doesn't appear to be self-created. Peyna 02:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

NOTE, the page was moved from Dr. Robin Cotton to Robin T. Cotton after the start of the AFD, and after some of the comments were made below. - Motor (talk) 12:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

• Comment: if the article survives this AfD, it probably should be renamed to Robin T. Cotton to conform with naming conventions. Peyna 02:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
• Rename to Robin T. Cotton (he meets WP:PROFTEST) and clean-up the parts copied from his biography. (Anyone else tired of those who copy-and-paste biographies with just enough changes to avoid speedy delete, then leave it to others to clean-up? Sheesh!) -Medtopic 05:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. "Cotton is also an author of more then thirty ENT related books and articles", according to the article. That's both impressive and evidence of being notable. I concur with the recommendation that the article be renamed. TruthbringerToronto 05:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Rename & tag for cleanup, as per Medtopic. "Robin T. Cotton" seems to pass WP:GOOG (though he flunks the USENET part dismally). Doing the test also throws up the fact that he won the 'Ronald McDonald Lifetime Achievement Award 2004'... They do not just give those things out to anybody. --DaveG12345 07:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
• Rename and cleanup, meets WP:PROFTEST. --Coredesat 07:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, seems to pass the proftest. I moved the page to Robin T. Cotton, and fixed the AFD link to still point here... but I'm not sure it's the correct procedure. - Motor (talk) 11:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Generally it's a good idea to wait until something like this is over to avoid confusion, since there isn't any terrible harm in keeping the article at the wrong name in the meantime. I went and changed this page and the main AfD list to line up with the new article name to make it easier on everyone. Peyna 11:35, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I didn't see much point in letting things drag out for five days while people spend time commenting mostly on the page naming. I was just about to add a note at the top for the closing admin and anyone coming here to comment/vote rather than alter the heading completely, but whatever works. - Motor (talk) 11:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Good point; I guess it's a weighing of the "confusions". On one hand, a lot of people might get confused by so many votes to rename and think it was posted at AfD solely on the basis of the name; whereas on the other hand, a lot of people might get confused when the AfD title and the article name don't match up. Peyna 11:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, as writer of this article I made sure it passed the proftest and met wiki standards. Yes I turned to his own biography as a reference point, but it was genuinely written. Plus I plan on expanding it with more sources later. This man is world-renowned ENT who has an extensive background and deserves an entry to wikipedia. I mean come on, this guy got the Ronald McDonald Lifetime Achivement award, has invented the very surgeries that go into modern trachs, and all that jazz. - Cormacalian (11:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - per above. --Kungfu Adam ^(talk) 20:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as notable academic. --TeaDrinker 21:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, I second the above. The doctor23 11:23, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep with re-write to remove the barrage of peacock language like "world-renowned", "groungbreaking", "one of the busiest" and "large international attention" which makes this sound like a puff piece. The awards section can be clipped, too, as they aren't even notable enough to merit their own articles.--Leflyman^Talk 05:07, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Well seeing as his works are ground breaking in the sense that they changed the face of ENT surgery what wording do you feel would be more appropriate to describe his works? - Cormacalian 16:07 26 June 2006 (UTC)

• No such words at all; encyclopedic articles should not couch accomplishments as "changed the face of..." or "ground-breaking" (unless used as a gerund for actual ground being broken). If other surgeons are adopting techniques developed by this doctor, then that can be stated, but only with a verifiable source for such a claim.--Leflyman^Talk 19:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.