Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert M. Hensel

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Dreadstar † 17:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Robert M. Hensel

Robert M. Hensel (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Lots of problems with this one. First off, it's a copyvio from here: [1]. It fails to meet WP:N and doesn't provide WP:RS. It also looks as if it might be WP:COI, since the article was created by an account called Wheelierecord, and a "wheelie record" is claimed for the subject. Finally, Wheelierecord is a WP:single-purpose account, created to promote and spam Hensel onto multiple WP pages:[2]. I realize that the guy was born with a serious birth defect, but that assertion is not going to be enough to satisfy WP:N. Qworty (talk) 01:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

• Further comment. Just came across an earlier AfD on this, under a slightly different name: [3]. If an admin reads this, please consider speedy and possibly salt. Thank you.Qworty (talk) 01:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

What is "salt"?NewAtThis (talk) 11:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Keep. I would like to see more references or links, but I feel the subject of the article is notable. I checked google news and 3 articles came up on him.Callelinea (talk) 04:20, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. COI is not grounds for deletion. Quick google [4] turns up 3-different secondary sources from major newspapers, meets WP:N and WP:V. MrPrada (talk) 05:57, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Given that this article was re-created after having already been deleted once, it's difficult for me to assume good faith. The three ghits are to two local newspapers (the daily Syracuse Post-Standard and the semi-weekly Fulton Valley News), neither of which is a major media outlet. Additionally, his writing honors seem to be of the poetry.com sort (where all it takes to be included is for your check to clear) and all links to his page were created by this same editor. When he says that his goal is to "promote my accomplishments in hopes of inspiring others to go beyond their limitations such as I have" then I think that the article falls under WP:NOT#ADVOCATE. If there are other people outside himself/his wife who thinks that he's sufficiently notable to have an entry, then let's see some editing by others and ask Wheelierecord to no longer update it. Dori (talk) 05:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment, I can't really abide this argument, when it wikilinks to the Post Standard, which states "The Post-Standard is the major daily newspaper servicing the greater Syracuse, New York metro area." The Syracuse metropolitan area had a population of 732,117, clearly major, and notable. On that note, being a local paper does not rescind the Fulton Valley News status as WP:RS, unless the Fortune 100 food company Wegmans Food article is wrong. MrPrada (talk) 13:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment. Note that neither the Syracuse Post-Standard nor the the Fulton Valley News is included on the List of major newspapers serving cities over 100,000 in the United States. My question is: has Mr. Hensel received any coverage from any major media outlet?

And not to be pedantic, but the Syracuse metropolitan area page you linked to says the current population is 645,293, not 732,117. Dori (talk) 21:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

An incomplete, unreferenced list does not mean the Post-Standard is not a major newspaper. It is, there's no arguing that. And per Syracuse, New York, according to the 2000 census, the city population was 147,306, and its metropolitan area had a population of 732,117, not 645,293.

wheelierecord/Robert M. Hensel Reply. I have a question that I would like to ask if I may? If what I have accomplished in my life is not worthy enough to be included in wikipedia then why would a great deal of my accomplishments be forever placed in The Museum of disABILITY history along with Helen Keller and many others? Far as the poetry.com link goes I wasn't the one who added that link to the page another editor did. Poetry.com was a place I was published through back when I first started out as a poet is one that I never use as a listed publishing credit. I know all about Poetry.com and they are of no use to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wheelierecord (talk • contribs) 01:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment. It's not a matter of your accomplishments, so please don't feel like this is a personal attack! It's a matter of the lack of major media attention to your accomplishments + a lack of editors unrelated to you interested in editing this article. Personally, I'd like to see you move this article to user space so it would be available if/when third-parties decide to create a page for you. I'd also recommend that you take a look at why the original AFD got the result it did—what's changed since then? Dori (talk) 05:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Being this man has been published in the Guinness Book of World Records which is one of the biggest publications in the world and having had a Ripley's comic published in newspapers around the world I feel that gentlemen be listed within Wikipedia amybethh1979 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amybethh1979 (talk • contribs) 05:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

— Amybethh1979 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

And given that Hansel's wife's name is Amy Beth, I have to say that this looks like another case of WP:COI. Mrs. Hansel, if this is you, it's inappropriate for you to vote in this AFD (and you might also want to look at WP:MEAT). Dori (talk)

Extensive talk page details have been moved to Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Robert M. Hensel.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.