Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rob Lunan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. W.marsh 17:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rob Lunan

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An article on a businessman and author who fails WP:BIO. Lunan's book, The Baker's Son, is self-published. The creation of Jjcabbage, a single purpose user. Victoriagirl 16:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

• speedy delete as an unsourced failure of WP:N and WP:BIO. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 16:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - no reliable sources -- Whpq 16:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - no real claim to notability, no sources. Nuttah68 18:49, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - per my nomination. Victoriagirl 19:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

This is not a self-published book. I have a copy. It's published by the Scrooge Guide. All other info is relaible and accurate. Do Not Delete BThomer 20:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC) — BThomer (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Comment The full record at Library and Archives Canada, the link to which I provided as part of the nomination, clearly indicates the publisher as the Lunan Corporation. Whether the other information is reliable or not is irrelevant; the nomination is based on the arguement that the subject fails WP:BIO. Victoriagirl 23:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment This rather odd comment above does not take into account the fact that a corporation is a separate person under the law. If indeed the Lunan Corporation is the publisher then it is proof it is not self-published. You could also consider other Canadian authors like Leonard G. Lee who was published by Taunton Press but only because his Company Lee Valley Tools Ltd. bought most of the print run. In this case his Sharpening book would also be considered self-published. Perhaps Victoriagirl should go sniffing around there for some fun. BThomer 23:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment I'll disregard the fact that BThomer originally claimed the Scrooge Guide to be the publisher and get to the heart of the matter. Rob Lunan is the President of the Lunan Corporation, a firm involved in "custom manufacturing and product sourcing". Despite this, in his blog Lunan lists "publishing" as the industry in which he is involved. As there seems to be some objection to my use of the description "self-published", I will revise my statement: Rob Lunan's The Baker's Son, is the only book published by the Lunan Corporation, a firm which he heads.

Concerning BThomer's final comment. As s/he is new to Wikipedia, I suggest the following as reading material: WP:CIV. Victoriagirl 02:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

• Do Not Delete Hey! I just saw this attack on my article. What gives? I'm legit and so is all the info in this article. I like to make sure Canadian authors are known. This looks like a fabricated attack from a bunch of friends! Jjcabbage 0:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment As the user who nominated this article for deletion, I'll begin by stating that this was in no way intended as an attack. Frankly, User:Jjcabbage, I do not understand this perception. I add that neither I, nor any other contributor to this process has ever questioned your legitimacy. The nomination for deletion is based exclusively on what I perceive to be the failure of the subject to meet WP:BIO. As yet, no one has argued otherwise.

Recognizing that you created Rob Lunan - and that it is the only article to which you have contributed - you may wish to read Wikipedia's policy ownership of articles. While I can appreciate that you may think of the entry as "my article", I belongs to no one.

Finally, I can assure you that my nomination is not part of a "fabricated attack". Contrary to your insinuation, I do not know those who have voted in support of my nomination. In the interests of civility, I ask you to retract your remarks. Victoriagirl 02:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

• Do Not Delete - Now this is an interesting thread! I vote to keep the article. I took a look around the web and he is real and has been published in a number of magazines as well. He has more than one book on Amazon. I use Wikipedia to find people who are doing real things. I don't just want to use it to find a bunch of dead people...who cares? And I certainly want to find people more interesting than people like us who lurk around Wikipedia! Anyway Victoriagirl seems to know an awful big bunch of things about Lunan. Maybe she is an ex with a grudge? AlamoGirl 09:34, 29 May 2007— Alamogirl (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Comment In fact, Lunan has only one book, The Baker's Son, listed on Amazon.ca. its Canadian site. Amazon.com lists downloads of two magazine articles, along with The Baker's Son. Again, no other books are listed.

As Alamogirl appears to be familiar with this thread and Wikipedia in general, she is no doubt also aware of the policy concerning civility. I ask her to retract her offensive comment. Victoriagirl 15:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment I just updated the article's bibliography with more entries that should stop all this nonsense. Do all you people not have something better to do with your time? Jjcabbage 14:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Although not a vote, you should not mark your opition for keeping more than once. I've struck it out. If you want to add a comment, you can prefix it with the word comment to distinguish it as I have done here. -- Whpq 15:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment - the addition of a couple of magazine articles and a diary with some gardening tips doesn't really establish notability or add any reliable sources. -- Whpq 15:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment - I share the above opinion concerning the additions of the magazine articles and the diary, and add that Library and Archives Canada, Amazon.ca, Amazon.com, and Chapters.Indigo.ca do not list Lunan as the author of A Gardener's Journal: a ten year chronicle of your garden. Indeed, a "A Gardener's Journal: a ten year chronicle of your garden" + lunan google search yields not a single hit. Victoriagirl 16:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

• Do Not Delete Looks like a war going on here! Why are you offenders trying to knock this guy off? You must be his competition!! Maybe you should spend your time getting your own house in order! Right! Get back to work you slackers! Go do some charity work and say some prayers you sinners! Bubbaflubba 15:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)— Bubbaflubba (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Do Not Delete I say keep it. This is corporate sleeze where a competitor is trying to knock out a notable source. If Wikipedia is to survive then the jealous can't be allowed to take the place of the truth. Maydon 15:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC) — Maydon (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Speedy Delete And I am asking for a meatpuppet review.Stellatomailing 06:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

• NOW HEAR THIS DELETE THIS ARTICLE IMMEDIATELY OR RISK BEING SUED BY OUR CORPORATION. WE NEVER GAVE AUTHORIZATION TO POST MY PERSONAL FAMILY INFORMATION ON WIKIPEDIA. IN ADDITION THIS ARTICLE HAS ERRORS. WE DO NOT USE WIKIPEDIA BECAUSE IT IS COMMONLY FILLED WITH MIS-INFORMATION. DELETE IMMEDIATELY. ROB LUNAN LUNAN CORPORATION. RobLunan 11:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)— RobLunan (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Delete as failing the notability criteria in WP:BIO. --Kralizec! (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:BIO. - Aagtbdfoua 01:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
• Snow delete I think the point has been made. Whsitchy 03:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

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