Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roar of the Dragon Tour

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The JPS^{talk to me} 19:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Roar of the Dragon Tour

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Aerosmith played seven gigs in Japan. I did a Google search by "roar of the dragon" aerosmith -wikipedia, and got 80 hits. I looked at each one, all were fansites or auction sites. Non-notable tour by notable band, but notability is not inherited. Unsourced on page. AnteaterZot (talk) 10:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. -RiverHockey (talk) 21:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Notability is established by article - East Asian culture theme of presentation, used in millennium broadcasts. Length is not the determining factor. The Aerosmith tour articles are in general fairly well done, not just lists of tour dates. If this one lacks proper citiation, mark it for that not deletion. Note that citation does not necessarily only reside on Google. Wasted Time R (talk) 21:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I checked; 80 g-hits strongly suggests non-notable. If sources appear on the page, then the tour is notable. AnteaterZot (talk) 23:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  • All I'm saying is that there may be a book about Aerosmith that describes the tour. When I wrote the articles for the earlier Rolling Stones tours, most of the info came from books, not the web. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
    • I bow to sourcing. However, the book must show that the tour is independently notable. AnteaterZot (talk) 23:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep: The tour is notable because it is by a notable music group. Just like there's an article for every Van Halen, Madonna, and Michael Jackson tour, there will be an article for every Aerosmith tour. I created this article and am a primary contributor to the Aerosmith WikiProject. I know the tour was brief, but it was its own tour. It was completely distinctive from the Nine Lives Tour, and it was in the media (made ABC-TV's Millenium coverage), had its own theme, own setlist, and whatnot. This link is the listing of all Aerosmith tours, as established by the band's official fan club, which has strong ties to people close to the band. That's about as official as it gets. And when I, or someone else, get around to it, there will be an article created for all of those tours listed. And it clearly lists this tour as its own separate tour. Certainly the band wouldn't list this tour as its own separate tour if they didn't feel that it was notable or its own individual tour. We're trying to build an accurate and comprehensive series of articles on Aerosmith tours here, and it would be inaccurate to lump this tour with another tour, and it would be incomprehensive to completely omit it. Yes, sources have to be found. I realize that. That is a goal of our project. But we have a limited number of people working on a large amount of articles, so please bear with us. Thanks. Abog (talk) 04:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Notability is not inherited. WP:ILIKEIT is not a reason to keep, and I shudder when I think of more tour articles without sources. It's not Wikipedia's job to duplicate a band's web presence. If it had sources indicating notability I would not have nominated it. If you really need more time to find sources, ask the Admins to "userfy" the page before it is deleted. AnteaterZot (talk) 09:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
    • When did I ever say that "I like it"? And also, when you're trying to build a comprehensive collection of knowledge on a notable artist, it doesn't help when critical information is deleted, simply beacause "that single wasn't as big of a hit as the other ones" or "that tour wasn't as long as the other ones". It's ludicrous. And then someone comes along to Wikipedia, and they're like "hey, I wanted to read about that tour or that single. Why is it not here, but the other ones are?" Also, do you realize that there are thousands of articles on Wikipedia without sources? You can't expect a few people to write 2 million well-sourced articles in just a couple years. Not having sources yet is no reason to delete. It's just a reason to try and get more sources. And I'm sorry, but this is a tour by a notable band. Every other major artist has articles on all their tours, and Aerosmith should be no exception. We're trying to build a comprehensive, accurate collection of knowledge on Wikipedia. And it doesn't help researchers when they see critical gaps in the information. Abog (talk) 17:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Also, I got 1,550 hits for "Roar of the Dragon Tour". I don't why you're including Aerosmith and Wikipedia in the query. Probably just to intentionally get lower hits. Abog (talk) 17:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
      • He/she was including Aerosmith but excluding wikipedia, which you have to do to avoid all the false echoes from Wikipedia mirrors. But I remain convinced that Anteater is otherwise licking at the wrong dirt mound on this one. Wasted Time R (talk) 17:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Keep. The tour is part of the Aerosmith history and also of WP:AERO. This article has been rated as mid-Importance on the importance scale. As you seen, the article was created on November 20 and has been rated as start-Class. We can handle it. Sources are coming. Thank you. Janadore (talk) 15:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

It's been about five days now. This article is within the scope of a Project, and two of the project's goals are to "Create articles for each concert tour" and "Source all facts in need of citation". With that in mind, I propose that this article remain, however we need to cite sources as well. Given that there seems to be a greater desire in this discussion to keep and source, than there does to delete, I say we keep this article and close this discussion. Abog (talk) 20:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

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