Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rick Achberger

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Coredesat 04:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rick Achberger

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nn pro wrestling fan. Claim to "fame" is that he holds up signs at selected WWE shows. This fails WP:BIO, as the only sources available are from WWE publications, which in turn as questionable as WP:RS. There is no need whatsoever for him to have an article here. He is not official WWE "talent" either, and even members of the creative team and other on-screen personalities have had articles deleted. Biggspowd 00:49, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Unlike the other AFD for a wrestling related figure I was in, this seems to be fancruft. --Whsitchy 02:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - the WWE stuff doesn't really meet WP:RS, and I'm not sure that the rest of the article indicates notability. He's not an official part of the show, he's just a fan who gets some face time. Tony Fox (arf!) 03:40, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - As the articles creator I feel I must speak on this. First, Rick Achberger was a requested article here. Second, I'm not sure why you dont consider WWE a reliable source Biggspowd, but even so, that is not the only sources I have as you said, I have a online newspaper article from Lufkin Daily News (there is also a newspaper article in The Detroit News that metions him) and a commerical he did for the USA Network. Also, a google search of WWE Sign Guy comes back with 1,280,000 results. And what about his time on the game show Deal or No Deal? Rick qualifies for at least three of the criteria listed in WP:BIO: "The person has been the subject of published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject.", "The person has demonstrable wide name recognition", and "Commercial endorsements of demonstrably notable products" So as you can see, he is much more than "just a fan who gets fan who gets face time" as you said Tony Fox. How can one man who has been has had magazine articles, multiple newspaper articles, several TV spots, and widespread internet coverage be considered a "non-notable person"?? Stormin' Foreman 06:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment I should let you all know that the above user created the article. Also, with your google search, you need to put in it quotes, and when you do, it's just 650 hits. And every source is WWE-related, or through their PR department, and most of the sources are not reliable and are written in-universe. There isn't a need for this article, and just because someone put a "request" for it doesn't mean it belongs automatically. Biggspowd 15:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

• Throw out of the ring, No deal. He's just an attention-seeking fan. Only way he would be notable is if he were another Steve Bartman. And AFAIK, there are no articles about individual Deal or No Deal contestants. Clarityfiend 07:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - Having your face on TV is not enough to make you notable. Also, the sources listed here are not "intellectually independent" nor are they "independent of the subject." They are wrestling magazines and therefore are quite involved with the subject and therefore are probably not reliable. --Hnsampat 14:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment Maybe you should view the article again and actually look at the sources this time, unless you're seriously suggesting that www.lufkindailynews.com is a wrestling magazine and/or owned by WWE. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 16:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

• No need to get nasty. --Hnsampat 02:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
• The Lufkin Daily News is just a newspaper from a small town in Texas. I'm not sure if it can be a reliable source, and if so, he's still not close to notable. Biggspowd 17:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete — over the top rope. Lufkin Daily News is only reliable source. If getting on radio or TV is grounds for notability, then I'm notable. Realkyhick 22:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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