Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard caro

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. Owen× ☎ 17:48, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Richard caro

[edit] Comments ("Argument")

Promotional puff piece about the CEO of a corporation of dubious notability. Just 32 Google hits for "richard caro" "cmc associates". Szyslak ( [ +t, +c, +m, +e ]) 00:35, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

• Reply Also note that CMC is new, try http://google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22dick+caro%22+isa&btnG=Google+Search or http://google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&q=%22dick+caro%22+automation&btnG=Search if you want to use Google as your judge. You can also try, http://google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&q=%22dick+caro%22+%22cmc+associates%22&btnG=Search which includes the search term CMC, but uses Richard Caro's nickname, Dick. Szyslak, why don't you try doing some research of your own and adding to the article instead of putting it up for deletion? You could atleast put it up as a stub. I mean, if people like Kirk Jones have an articles, why shouldn't Richard Caro. I think this article should be a stub. -AlexJohnc3

• quoting: at age of ten...amazing things by creating a turbine automobile design. puff-puff-puff. mikka (t) 00:52, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Reply Fine then, delete that part. I'm sorry for mentioning a turbine automobile design that he made at ten. This is my first article for Wikipedia and instead of deleting it, maybe you guys could try cleaning it up instead of deleting my article? -AlexJohnc3

• Delete. If he, his company, or indeed his industry are notable, then where is Automation Industry and CMC Associates? Flyboy Will 01:44, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't think you can use self-reference as a guide to notability. - Bobet 02:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, I suppose not, although when somebody is supposedly notable because of the company / industry where he works, I would expect those companies and indistries to have wiki articles. In any case, this guy is a CEO of a home business and I just do not see how he or his company are in any way notable. Flyboy Will 02:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
      • Reply The company is hardly a small business, I think it is something for consulting Richard Caro. And as I said in reply to your the first post in this list, the Automation industry does have a Wikipedia article: Industrial Automation. -AlexJohnc3
  • Reply Okay, the argument against this article seems to be that it is not notable. The Google argument has been "beaten" and now we have the automation/CMC Associates not in Wikipedia. Flyboy Will brought up the latter argument. Well, try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_automation and as far as the CMC Assciates not in Wikipedia goes, it is a small, "home business" (see http://cmcassociates.net/staff.html for staff). -AlexJohnc3

• Note to AlexJohnc3 Could you please use the same standard as everyone else when adding your comments? It's impossible to sift through all you've written up above and discern your newer comments from the older ones. Add your stuff below other's comments, in chronological order, use the star symbol in the beginning of each paragraph, etc. Honestly, it's not that hard, just look at every other AfD. You're making this one into a huge mess. Flyboy Will 02:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Reply Sorry, maybe if someone else had made a list before I could have added to it (by looking at the code used), like I am now.-AlexJohnc3

• Comment to all experienced Wikipedians "DONT BITE THE NEWBIES". AlexJohnc3, welcome aboard, sorry your first outings been a bit rough! Jcuk 22:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Delete, not notable Tom Harrison ^(talk) 02:41, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete nonnotable. mikka (t) 00:43, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, nn-bio. -- Megamix^? 05:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as per nominator. MCB 06:30, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep notable. AlexJohnc3 02:39, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable Edgar181 16:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
• Delete NN head of NN corp MNewnham 17:09, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - seems to meet WP:BIO#People_still_alive, as a published author. I haven't seen the requirement of an audience of 5000 being documented in other author bios, so don't see why it should be documented here to have WP:BIO#People_still_alive considered relevant. (Of course I haven't read _all_(!) of Wikipedia, so it may be adhered to in most bios. I'm prepared to be corrected.) The Position section needs to be removed or rewritten, rather than a quote (IMHO), but I don't think the current edit is too puffy. Re the standard of authorship, there are thousands of less well written bio stubs which are kept - this article is comprehensible and formatted well.. Colonel Tom 10:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment Colonel Tom, thanks for your vote. As I stated before, this article could use a lot of work; so it should be a stub/cleaned up. I don't know how many books he has out, but I'm pretty sure it is atleast 5,000. AlexJohnc3 02:39, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.