Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard M. Scott
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 08:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Richard M. Scott
Ex-mayor of Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Fails WP:BIO ccwaters 02:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete unless evidence of some media coverage is provided. Kevin 02:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, verifiable mayor of a medium sized city. User:Zoe|(talk) 03:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per Zoe ClarkBHM 03:30, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per Zoe. Being an ex-mayor doesn't mean he "fails" WP:BIO, which is not meant to be exclusionary. Mangojuicetalk 04:26, 9 May 2006 (U
- Keep per Zoe.Dlohcierekim 05:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - as Zoe said. - Richardcavell 06:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - as per everyone else who said keep. DanielZimmerman 06:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep as per the above comments, this figure is worthy of note. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 08:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep as above. ProhibitOnions 12:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Though mostly associated with farming and the Amish, Lancaster is NOT an incredibly small town. In fact it's a city with a downtown area and quite a tourist trade. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per Zoe Computerjoe's talk 16:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: I nominated this article because that's all he is: a former mayor of a mid-sized city. There's nothing notable about him otherwise (attracting an unaffiliated low minor baseball team?). This nom isn't about the worthiness of the City of Lancaster or the verifiability(?) of his former position. He's just a guy who was a mayor once. I don't him being anywhere close to WP:BIO. ccwaters 18:00, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- You really think it's possible to be the mayor of a mid-sized city for six years and not do anything? Come on. The article itself spells out several accomplishments, and it's easy to find more. He was a WWII pilot who survived for 4 months behind enemy lines after being shot down over Germany, and was finally captured and held in a POW camp before escaping in 1945. He also wasn't elected out as mayor: he resigned so he could serve as Pennsylvania’s adjutant general. He easily passes WP:BIO. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- You really think it's possible to be the mayor of a mid-sized city for six years and not do anything: Yes I do. Quick what's the mayor of Toledo done in his term? Who knows and who cares outside of Toledo. My point is being a mayor shouldn't be an automatic notability qualification. With that said: the sum of all the tidbits you unearthed makes a rather interesting fellow. Too bad the article in its current state doesn't reflect that. I change my vote to needs work. ccwaters 20:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- If you think the mayor of a city of 650,000 people just sits around in a sash that says "MAYOR" on it and gives oversized novelty souvenir keys to visiting superheroes, you're wrong. The current mayor of Toledo has an article which lists quite a few accomplishments and controversies, including overseeing Toledo's larlgest building boom in history. He's so popular with voters that, since by law he can't serve 3 consecutive terms, he sat out for a term and got re-elected for a third term afterwards. Just think: as mayor of a city of 650,000 people, how many people know his name? How many times has he been mentioned in the newspaper? How many times has he been on the front page? How big a section will he get in local history books? How many people work for the city, and thus directly or indirectly work for him? How many billions of dollars of public funds does he manage? How many streets, bridges, and buildings are named after him? How many people, every day of their lives, are effected one way or another by the decisions he makes in office? And after all that, think again whether he's worth a kilobyte or two of article space on Wikipedia. The answer, I would think, should be obvious. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 21:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- WP:BIO endorses "Major local political figures who receive significant press coverage". I haven't checked, but I would imagine a mayor would have significant press coverage at least during his term in office. He's also a member of the Department of Military and Veterans Affairs’ Hall of Fame. He was also a Major General, which to me, is significant in and of itself. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not arguing this particular article anymore. I've been convinced. There's more to him than this article states. As far as "major local political figures": I guess I don't interpret that the same as you. To me that means a political figure of a major municipality OR a local politician that through some news event (positive or negative) has transcended their local sphere of influence. I don't feel the need to write up articles about Juanita Crabb or other former mayors of my hometown. Starblind what city are we talking about? Nether Lancaster or Toledo is anywhere near 650k. If you feel like continuing this dicussion, lets please find a different forum. I'm sure the AFD watchers are getting tired of this. Like I said before: I'm not arguing this specific article anymore. ccwaters 00:29, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- The Toledo, Ohio article cites a metro area population of 659,188. I'm glad you've been convinced of Scott's notability. Oh, and one last thing: the "major local political figures" part of WP:BIO doesn't apply here: it's from the section on living persons, while Scott has been dead since January 2005. With that said, I'll let this rest, but if anyone wants to discuss further my talk page is always open. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not arguing this particular article anymore. I've been convinced. There's more to him than this article states. As far as "major local political figures": I guess I don't interpret that the same as you. To me that means a political figure of a major municipality OR a local politician that through some news event (positive or negative) has transcended their local sphere of influence. I don't feel the need to write up articles about Juanita Crabb or other former mayors of my hometown. Starblind what city are we talking about? Nether Lancaster or Toledo is anywhere near 650k. If you feel like continuing this dicussion, lets please find a different forum. I'm sure the AFD watchers are getting tired of this. Like I said before: I'm not arguing this specific article anymore. ccwaters 00:29, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- WP:BIO endorses "Major local political figures who receive significant press coverage". I haven't checked, but I would imagine a mayor would have significant press coverage at least during his term in office. He's also a member of the Department of Military and Veterans Affairs’ Hall of Fame. He was also a Major General, which to me, is significant in and of itself. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- If you think the mayor of a city of 650,000 people just sits around in a sash that says "MAYOR" on it and gives oversized novelty souvenir keys to visiting superheroes, you're wrong. The current mayor of Toledo has an article which lists quite a few accomplishments and controversies, including overseeing Toledo's larlgest building boom in history. He's so popular with voters that, since by law he can't serve 3 consecutive terms, he sat out for a term and got re-elected for a third term afterwards. Just think: as mayor of a city of 650,000 people, how many people know his name? How many times has he been mentioned in the newspaper? How many times has he been on the front page? How big a section will he get in local history books? How many people work for the city, and thus directly or indirectly work for him? How many billions of dollars of public funds does he manage? How many streets, bridges, and buildings are named after him? How many people, every day of their lives, are effected one way or another by the decisions he makes in office? And after all that, think again whether he's worth a kilobyte or two of article space on Wikipedia. The answer, I would think, should be obvious. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 21:17, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- You really think it's possible to be the mayor of a mid-sized city for six years and not do anything: Yes I do. Quick what's the mayor of Toledo done in his term? Who knows and who cares outside of Toledo. My point is being a mayor shouldn't be an automatic notability qualification. With that said: the sum of all the tidbits you unearthed makes a rather interesting fellow. Too bad the article in its current state doesn't reflect that. I change my vote to needs work. ccwaters 20:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- You really think it's possible to be the mayor of a mid-sized city for six years and not do anything? Come on. The article itself spells out several accomplishments, and it's easy to find more. He was a WWII pilot who survived for 4 months behind enemy lines after being shot down over Germany, and was finally captured and held in a POW camp before escaping in 1945. He also wasn't elected out as mayor: he resigned so he could serve as Pennsylvania’s adjutant general. He easily passes WP:BIO. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 20:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- keep please notability does not expire from electronic encyclopedias Yuckfoo 19:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete unless evidence of media coverage is provided. — CJewell (talk to me)
- Keep. It really needs more details, though. His term of office, for example.--UsaSatsui 20:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete nn. Grue 09:49, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
